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Never in tech have I seen conversation about Asian Americans been brought up. When I say, they're treated as white, it's more like they're treated "not a POC",

Never in tech have I seen conversation about Asian Americans been brought up. When I say, they're treated as white, it's more like they're treated "not a POC", which only leaves a designation of white. Except Asians don't get put in leadership positions as easily as white counterparts (bamboo ceiling). I've seen many times (online at least) where people have explicitly said Asians don't count as POC, despite facing a large brunt of racism.

recursive 6y ago
> Never in tech have I seen conversation about Asian Americans been brought up. But also > Except Asians don't get put in leadership positions as easily as white counterparts I guess it's now been brought up, so that's a milestone.
- ngokevin 6y ago
  We ain’t known for speaking up :) It is a time where we are getting violently targeted. And while people are jumping at the bit to speak up for every other group, we’re forced to uncharacteristically muster it up ourselves. I imagine if I was any other minority group talking about my experiences, it'd be taken more seriously.
wcarron 6y ago
> When I say, they're treated as white, it's more like they're treated "not a POC" You have missed the point. However they are being treated, by definition, is how asian-americans in tech are treated. They aren't being treated as "not POC", that is how asian poc are treated.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  That seems like a pretty circular argument. What evidence would falsify it? What if I made a similar argument except I replaced "asian" with "french"? How would you prove there's a difference between that argument and your argument?
  - wcarron 6y ago
    It is a tautology in a sense, but the point is that the case isn't "asian people are treated like white people in tech". The case is "white and asian people are treated like X in tech". Hope that makes sense.
- ngokevin 6y ago
  Okay, sure. I’m just drawing an equivalence to how Asians are treated to how whites are treated, rather than how I think they should be treated, as POCs. That’s my point, a point of comparison and contrast.

recursive 6y ago

> Never in tech have I seen conversation about Asian Americans been brought up. But also > Except Asians don't get put in leadership positions as easily as white counterparts I guess it's now been brought up, so that's a milestone.

ngokevin 6y ago
We ain’t known for speaking up :) It is a time where we are getting violently targeted. And while people are jumping at the bit to speak up for every other group, we’re forced to uncharacteristically muster it up ourselves. I imagine if I was any other minority group talking about my experiences, it'd be taken more seriously.

wcarron 6y ago

> When I say, they're treated as white, it's more like they're treated "not a POC" You have missed the point. However they are being treated, by definition, is how asian-americans in tech are treated. They aren't being treated as "not POC", that is how asian poc are treated.

Dylan16807 6y ago
That seems like a pretty circular argument. What evidence would falsify it? What if I made a similar argument except I replaced "asian" with "french"? How would you prove there's a difference between that argument and your argument?
- wcarron 6y ago
  It is a tautology in a sense, but the point is that the case isn't "asian people are treated like white people in tech". The case is "white and asian people are treated like X in tech". Hope that makes sense.
ngokevin 6y ago
Okay, sure. I’m just drawing an equivalence to how Asians are treated to how whites are treated, rather than how I think they should be treated, as POCs. That’s my point, a point of comparison and contrast.