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> but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) Wasn’t it black moderates that powered centris

> but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) Wasn’t it black moderates that powered centrist Biden to the nomination? Bernie and Warren’s failure to gain any significant traction with the black electorate sunk their progressive candidacies.

pron 6y ago
But that's because many Democrats aren't all that progressive. Being progressive doesn't mean focusing on rhetoric. It mostly means certain views on the economy that many black Democrats disagree with at this time. Sanders in particular isn't considered all that "woke", and still primary voters shifted to Biden.
- matwood 6y ago
  > But that's because many Democrats aren't all that progressive. The people in the US aren't all that progressive.
erezsh 6y ago
Funny, the way I remember it, they forced Sanders out without any voting (and for the second time in a row!)
- TFrancis 6y ago
  Why can't you remember any voting during the primaries?
JansjoFromIkea 6y ago
I'm not sure any data regarding Biden specifically is worth much in terms of future assessment because such a huge amount of it would be tied to Obama's enduring massive popularity amongst all democrat demographics along with being the nostalgic "return to normal" option. There really isn't anywhere to go with that beyond Biden (unless they convince Michelle Obama to run?). Iirc a substantial number of Biden voters had Sanders as their 2nd preference too? The new options they presented flopped pretty badly. It's hard to look at Harris on the basis of her performance in the 2020 primary as being an especially strong frontrunner but it's even harder to think up of any alternatives who will be in strong enough of a position to displace her.
x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
Biden won because many of us blacks, especially in South Carolina voted for the candidate that we thought would most likely win over whites. Warren and Bernie were seen as too progressive and the reward for that would be 4 more years of Trump.
- ryanbrunner 6y ago
  I don't think it was specifically because of Trump - Bernie didn't poll well with Blacks in 2016 either, even before Trump was the presumptive nominee and was considered a joke candidate.
  - x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
    Bernie when compared with other dems in the primary will always lose out on the "white electability" test. Doesn't matter whether it's 2016 or 2020. My top comment was explaining one of the reasons Bernie was never going to do well, and the abyss that the black community was staring into.
SamBam 6y ago
Voting for Biden is now "walking away from the Left?" The man has been pursuing the most progressive agenda since FDR.

pron 6y ago

But that's because many Democrats aren't all that progressive. Being progressive doesn't mean focusing on rhetoric. It mostly means certain views on the economy that many black Democrats disagree with at this time. Sanders in particular isn't considered all that "woke", and still primary voters shifted to Biden.

matwood 6y ago
> But that's because many Democrats aren't all that progressive. The people in the US aren't all that progressive.

erezsh 6y ago

Funny, the way I remember it, they forced Sanders out without any voting (and for the second time in a row!)

TFrancis 6y ago
Why can't you remember any voting during the primaries?

JansjoFromIkea 6y ago

I'm not sure any data regarding Biden specifically is worth much in terms of future assessment because such a huge amount of it would be tied to Obama's enduring massive popularity amongst all democrat demographics along with being the nostalgic "return to normal" option. There really isn't anywhere to go with that beyond Biden (unless they convince Michelle Obama to run?). Iirc a substantial number of Biden voters had Sanders as their 2nd preference too? The new options they presented flopped pretty badly. It's hard to look at Harris on the basis of her performance in the 2020 primary as being an especially strong frontrunner but it's even harder to think up of any alternatives who will be in strong enough of a position to displace her.

x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago

Biden won because many of us blacks, especially in South Carolina voted for the candidate that we thought would most likely win over whites. Warren and Bernie were seen as too progressive and the reward for that would be 4 more years of Trump.

ryanbrunner 6y ago
I don't think it was specifically because of Trump - Bernie didn't poll well with Blacks in 2016 either, even before Trump was the presumptive nominee and was considered a joke candidate.
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
  Bernie when compared with other dems in the primary will always lose out on the "white electability" test. Doesn't matter whether it's 2016 or 2020. My top comment was explaining one of the reasons Bernie was never going to do well, and the abyss that the black community was staring into.

SamBam 6y ago

Voting for Biden is now "walking away from the Left?" The man has been pursuing the most progressive agenda since FDR.