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I am unconvinced. First of all, Android is Linux based, and not an unpleasant userland if you install Termux and use LineageOS or some other custom fork. Seco

I am unconvinced. First of all, Android is Linux based, and not an unpleasant userland if you install Termux and use LineageOS or some other custom fork. Second, even if you don't count Android, there's still Ubuntu Mobile, and PostmarketOS, and Sailfish, and Mobian, and others, all of which existed before this as far as I can tell. Third, this website is drowning in rough marketing speak, with little substance. I came in with high hopes, but am unimpressed. Maybe this is overly harsh, it's definitely a hard market. Edit: The closer I look, the more unconvinced I get. I wish you luck, but maybe get something to show first next time.

TheAceOfHearts 6y ago
With Sailfish some of us are still a bit sore over the Jolla Tablet [0] that never shipped and wasn't refunded. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_Tablet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_Tablet
- skykooler 6y ago
  As an app developer I tried for so long to get my hands on a Jolla Tablet, or an alternative tablet that could run Sailfish, so I could update my apps to run properly in tablet mode. I've finally given up on that with the realization that if the tablets are this hard to get, then there aren't enough users with them to bother fixing my apps for them.
yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
> First of all, Android is Linux based, and not an unpleasant userland if you install Termux and use LineageOS or some other custom fork. Android can be hacked into a passable system, but notice that termux is no longer in the Play store because of locked down permissions and expects further breakage from upcoming OS changes. On the other hand, completely agreed that there are good options available and inbound, so until they actually ship this warrants some skepticism.
- pmontra 6y ago
  I just checked and termux is still on the Play Store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=en&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=...
  - yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
    https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/Termux_Google_Play https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/Termux_Google_Play More precisely, no new versions go to the Play store.
- Shared404 6y ago
  I'm no fan of Android to be clear. My standard install these days is a custom rom if possible, and then only using F-Droid as a repo. I want more options, I'm just unconvinced this is it.
ekianjo 6y ago
> First of all, Android is Linux based, and not an unpleasant userland if you install Termux and use LineageOS or some other custom fork. Meh, and the integrated Google spyware baked in? (because most Android is not LineageOS out there anyway), so there's a dire need for alternatives anyway. There is also no way for end users to update their Android devices, so you end up with something disposable the day you purchase them. > Ubuntu Mobile They changed their name btw, and its still shipping with a terrible browser, and based on outdated sources (did they even move to 18.04 yet?) > PostmarketOS Not usable in touch mode
- Shared404 6y ago
  There is definitely a need for alternatives. My issue is they acted like this is something groundbreaking and unheard of, while what they've shown is either something that's comparable to other options in the space (Their software looks like branded Plasma Mobile), or vaporware (I won't trust them to deliver hardware, until they actually do.) Edit: My other issues are located at the bottom of this page. This company has lost any hope I had for it.
- MayeulC 6y ago
  >> PostmarketOS > Not usable in touch mode Are you thinking of a specific user interface? Phosh is quite usable, among others. https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/User-Interfaces https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/User-Interfaces
oefrha 6y ago
> maybe get something to show first next time. Well, you can download and install right now[1][2] (see "Download" in the nav bar), although the download link is currently gated by an email collection form which is somewhat unfortunate. (They do send you an .iso download link, yes I verified.) So saying they don't have something to show is inaccurate and misleading. Maybe you meant something groundbreaking to show? Edit: Oh you're probably talking about hardware. [1] https://forum.jingos.com/t/jingos-v0-6-release-download/514 https://forum.jingos.com/t/jingos-v0-6-release-download/514 [2] https://hk.mikecrm.com/Qzliv4B https://hk.mikecrm.com/Qzliv4B
- Shared404 6y ago
  I was talking about hardware, their software looks fine enough, though I honestly don't see a reason to use it over something else running Plasma mobile, a custom configured Plasma install, or LineageOS/similar. Unless they've got access to more closed source drivers, the number of devices targetable with this is going to be comparable anyways.

TheAceOfHearts 6y ago

With Sailfish some of us are still a bit sore over the Jolla Tablet [0] that never shipped and wasn't refunded. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_Tablet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_Tablet

skykooler 6y ago
As an app developer I tried for so long to get my hands on a Jolla Tablet, or an alternative tablet that could run Sailfish, so I could update my apps to run properly in tablet mode. I've finally given up on that with the realization that if the tablets are this hard to get, then there aren't enough users with them to bother fixing my apps for them.

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago

> First of all, Android is Linux based, and not an unpleasant userland if you install Termux and use LineageOS or some other custom fork. Android can be hacked into a passable system, but notice that termux is no longer in the Play store because of locked down permissions and expects further breakage from upcoming OS changes. On the other hand, completely agreed that there are good options available and inbound, so until they actually ship this warrants some skepticism.

pmontra 6y ago
I just checked and termux is still on the Play Store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=en&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=...
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/Termux_Google_Play https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/Termux_Google_Play More precisely, no new versions go to the Play store.
Shared404 6y ago
I'm no fan of Android to be clear. My standard install these days is a custom rom if possible, and then only using F-Droid as a repo. I want more options, I'm just unconvinced this is it.

ekianjo 6y ago

> First of all, Android is Linux based, and not an unpleasant userland if you install Termux and use LineageOS or some other custom fork. Meh, and the integrated Google spyware baked in? (because most Android is not LineageOS out there anyway), so there's a dire need for alternatives anyway. There is also no way for end users to update their Android devices, so you end up with something disposable the day you purchase them. > Ubuntu Mobile They changed their name btw, and its still shipping with a terrible browser, and based on outdated sources (did they even move to 18.04 yet?) > PostmarketOS Not usable in touch mode

Shared404 6y ago
There is definitely a need for alternatives. My issue is they acted like this is something groundbreaking and unheard of, while what they've shown is either something that's comparable to other options in the space (Their software looks like branded Plasma Mobile), or vaporware (I won't trust them to deliver hardware, until they actually do.) Edit: My other issues are located at the bottom of this page. This company has lost any hope I had for it.
MayeulC 6y ago
>> PostmarketOS > Not usable in touch mode Are you thinking of a specific user interface? Phosh is quite usable, among others. https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/User-Interfaces https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/User-Interfaces

oefrha 6y ago

> maybe get something to show first next time. Well, you can download and install right now[1][2] (see "Download" in the nav bar), although the download link is currently gated by an email collection form which is somewhat unfortunate. (They do send you an .iso download link, yes I verified.) So saying they don't have something to show is inaccurate and misleading. Maybe you meant something groundbreaking to show? Edit: Oh you're probably talking about hardware. [1] https://forum.jingos.com/t/jingos-v0-6-release-download/514 https://forum.jingos.com/t/jingos-v0-6-release-download/514 [2] https://hk.mikecrm.com/Qzliv4B https://hk.mikecrm.com/Qzliv4B

Shared404 6y ago
I was talking about hardware, their software looks fine enough, though I honestly don't see a reason to use it over something else running Plasma mobile, a custom configured Plasma install, or LineageOS/similar. Unless they've got access to more closed source drivers, the number of devices targetable with this is going to be comparable anyways.