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JingPad A1 – Consumer-level Linux Tablet
- jbirer 6y agoLooks like a scam to me.
- 18252022689 6y agoamazing！
- 18252022689 6y agoAMAZING~
- gautamcgoel 6y agoLet me be the FIRST to say that the landing page is a bit overenthusiastic.
- rubatuga 6y agolooks like the images are faked
- happymellon 6y agoAnd faked pretty badly too. Unless they really do have a top bar that doesn't fit on the screen.
- elmcrest 6y agoI guess sell first, develop second, right? - good luck from my side. If you manage to come even close to the claimed features I will buy one.
- villgax 6y agoIs there a linux OS which would be best suited to run on a decade old laptop in portrait mode, mostly for reading PDFs?
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y agoMost of them, honestly. Lubuntu is probably the easy choice, or Alpine if you're really resource constrained and don't mind configuring it all yourself.
- happymellon 6y agoNow this is sad, but a decade old system would be Sandy/Ivy bridge era hardware, which isn't that bad for non-graphic intensive stuff. I would hazard that most consumers wouldn't be able to tell much of a difference with current hardware, especially as an e-reader. They don't tell us what they have or how much memory is installed, but if it is a convertable laptop with a touchscreen or similar then I would try Gnome. You will have a much better time for a simple e-reader. If it is memory contrained, or ends up being an Atom processor then perhaps a lighter desktop might be better.
- villgax 6y agoIt's an i3 with AMD Radeon 6470M, I was thinking of using https://babluboy.github.io/bookworm/ https://babluboy.github.io/bookworm/ as a library for PDFs but I think I'd rather stick with hackintosh on it(older macOS version/Mountain Lion) & simply use iBooks as a library for on device PDFs, since Preview is decent enough for my needs
- commandnotfound 6y agoI'd recommend you try out GNOME and use Foliate as a library manager. I tried using iBooks for a bit but it just didn't hold up to my expectations.
- villgax 6y agoThanks will check it out
- kwhitefoot 6y agoI'm running Q4OS Centaurus 32 bit on a 12 year old Acer Aspire One, 1.6 GHz Atom 512 MB ram with the Trinity desktop. Works nicely. Screen can be rotated not problem. Q4OS is a Debian derivative (Buster I think): https://q4os.org/ https://q4os.org/
- schappim 6y agoLooks great, but I'd be afraid it does things like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26306661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26306661
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- dcszz 6y agonice try
- Shared404 6y agoI am unconvinced. First of all, Android is Linux based, and not an unpleasant userland if you install Termux and use LineageOS or some other custom fork. Second, even if you don't count Android, there's still Ubuntu Mobile, and PostmarketOS, and Sailfish, and Mobian, and others, all of which existed before this as far as I can tell. Third, this website is drowning in rough marketing speak, with little substance. I came in with high hopes, but am unimpressed. Maybe this is overly harsh, it's definitely a hard market. Edit: The closer I look, the more unconvinced I get. I wish you luck, but maybe get something to show first next time.
- TheAceOfHearts 6y agoWith Sailfish some of us are still a bit sore over the Jolla Tablet [0] that never shipped and wasn't refunded. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_Tablet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_Tablet
- skykooler 6y agoAs an app developer I tried for so long to get my hands on a Jolla Tablet, or an alternative tablet that could run Sailfish, so I could update my apps to run properly in tablet mode. I've finally given up on that with the realization that if the tablets are this hard to get, then there aren't enough users with them to bother fixing my apps for them.
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago> First of all, Android is Linux based, and not an unpleasant userland if you install Termux and use LineageOS or some other custom fork. Android can be hacked into a passable system, but notice that termux is no longer in the Play store because of locked down permissions and expects further breakage from upcoming OS changes. On the other hand, completely agreed that there are good options available and inbound, so until they actually ship this warrants some skepticism.
- pmontra 6y agoI just checked and termux is still on the Play Store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=en&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=...
- notum 6y agoStrong Chineesium odor on this one. Can I put Debian on it and expect everything to work? am I the FIRST to ask this?
- nikolaj 6y agomy nokia 770 disagrees (from the bottom of a tub of old cables and networking gear)
- mkl 6y agoIf Wikipedia is to be believed, that's smaller than many of today's smartphones (apart from the 19mm (!) thickness). Not really a tablet, despite the name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770_Internet_Tablet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770_Internet_Tablet
- happymellon 6y agoI would believe that most phones these days are bigger than an old tablet. Heck, some phones reaching the size of my Nexus 7!
- mkl 6y agoBy diagonal screen measurement, yes. The Nexus 7's aspect ratio makes it much wider than phones though (120mm vs ~70-80mm). A 7" smartphone is likely to have almost no bezel too.
- happymellon 6y agoOh, completely. My Nexus 7 had a 7" screen, while the iPhone 12 Pro Max is 6.7", and the Galaxy S 21 Ultra is 6.8". My Nexus 7 total size was more like 9" diagonal due to bezel.
- jojo0620 6y agocool!
- tomcam 6y agoDoes anyone see any licensing terms?
- linmob 6y agoTheir stack is (currently) based on KDE Plasma, but they have not released source code (IIRC) for JingOS 0.6 and thus are violating the GPL already.
- Tendor95 6y agoAssuming you don't consider something running the linux kernel to be linux (ahem, android) >It is the World’s FIRST Consumer-level Linux Tablet. ExoPC 2.0 came out in 2010, running MeeGo, which was a linux tablet that shipped with an OS maintained and hosted by the Linux Foundation. >It is the FIRST Tablet powered by JingOS – the World’s FIRST Linux Tablet OS. MeeGo, MaeMo, and the associated tablet OSes from that era shipped over a decade ago. >It is the FIRST Time you can use a Linux-based Tablet as your daily driver. To be fair, the ExoPC was a huge piece of crap.
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y agoPinetab should be usable before this ships, I'd bet.
- noobermin 6y agoThe pinetab is not good enough to be anyone's daily driver
- 29083011397778 6y agoConsidering how many people on the Pine64 forums and messaging groups are claiming to use their pinephones for their main phone, I suspect the Pinetab could be. The number isn't high, but it's higher than I would have guessed before (and after) I bought and started playing with mine. I'm not saying it's a good experience, but some people have lots of patience and very few (phone-requiring) responsibilities.
- Apocryphon 6y agoBring back the CrunchPad, imo
- jsight 6y agoThat's exactly what this reminded me of too.
- bitwize 6y agoIs this gonna end up like all the other first consumer Linux tablets, like the JooJoo or the Archos 10?
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- colordrops 6y agoWouldn't the Remarkable tablets qualify? They run a pretty standard linux setup, albeit quite minimal.
- httpsterio 6y agoI wouldn't call an e-ink device a tablet. You can run a browser, maybe even videos somehow but it won't fit the most normal use cases for a tablet.
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- colordrops 6y agoIt's a lot more than a fancy book reader - it's open to modification, so you can SSH and run anything on it. It has a fast enough processor and wifi, so your only limitation is anything that doesn't work well with a slow refresh rate. I wouldn't say that the display technology (the only real difference) is the defining factor for whether something is a Linux tablet or not.
- jodrellblank 6y agoThey advertise it as "the world's thinnest tablet" in the callout circle of text on the picture, the biggest main feature on the front page of https://remarkable.com/ https://remarkable.com/
- paxys 6y agoLooks cool, but – > JingPad A1 will be available for a crowdfunding campaign on indiegogo before June. I'll believe it when I see it.
- hyperpallium2 6y agoAMOLED! Consistent with recent reports of a new 7" AMOLED Switch, and AMOLED becoming cheap. Linux is not as tuned for battery life as android, but they claim 10 hours from their 8Ah. Believable. 11", 6.7mm, 500g, 8 core ARM (model not specified; should be the 7x line). Bet it will cost far more than a comparable Android tablet (which can run termux).
- tluyben2 6y ago> Linux is not as tuned for battery life as android, On devices that run both that I have (had), Linux always wins (by a very large margin). It does take tweaking and running i3wm, but Android is a hog compared in my experience. As is Windows.
- happymellon 6y agoTBH, I don't even need to switch to i3WM just for some reason most Linux distros don't come with any power saving options enabled. Even just adding auto-cpufreq helps, but I'm not sure why TLP isn't.
- tluyben2 6y agoEspecially on devices which are meant to converse battery life like laptops, tablets & phones. I still have to tweak them myself usually; auto-cpufreq + tpl is really no work and the difference is quite significant.
- hyperpallium2 6y agoGood to hear!
- folmar 6y agoDo you compare to Android with Google services or without/with microg? It makes a big difference.
- MayeulC 6y ago
- finphil 6y agoThe Aquaris M10 tablet came preinstalled with Ubuntu Touch back in... 2016.
- tluyben2 6y agoI am getting old, but I fail to see what the usage of RAM/ROM means in advertising devices; I see many devices, including this one, stating '6G RAM, 128G ROM' => I assume 128GB is not Read-Only Memory. So why is it stated like that? I see it all over the place; phones, laptops, tablets. I understand if it's just a retailer selling, but these guys are supposed to know something about the hardware? Or am I missing something?
- jchw 6y agoGuessing the terminology stems off of EEPROM/PROM which was paradoxically, programmable ROM. It’s probably an understandable misnomer for NAND/flash storage.
- tluyben2 6y agoI guess you are right. I would never have figured that as someone who used eproms for devices where you could not replace firmware any other way.
- fy20 6y agoJust like a SSD doesn't actually contain a spinning disk, like hard disk drives and floppy disks before it :D Apple labels this as "Capacity" (iOS) and "Storage" (Mac) which are maybe better terms.
- mkl 6y agoSolid-State Drive doesn't mention disks.
- wongarsu 6y agoHard drives are named that way because they are devices that spin (drive) solid disks. Similarly a floppy drive is the device spinning the floppy. You could argue that the solid state drive "drives" things in the sense of "control", or analogous to how a microcontroller drives its pins. But more likely it's named that way because "drive" has become synonymous with storage, as in "C-Drive".
- IrisMa 6y agoGreat！
- 1023bytes 6y agoGuys this doesn't work. We can see you just created the account
- pratio 6y agoI've commented earlier on the borrowed looks but the demo images look faked. This is a demo i found on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RadKVkwK6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RadKVkwK6M The transitions aren't as fast and smooth as they claim but the work has merit no doubt. The test tablet resembles the earlier ipad with large bezels but if they can deliver even half of what they claim and they'd opensource their code. I'll buy one
- pekinlcc 6y agoThat video is a JingOS demo on a Surface Pro 6. Not the JingPad.
- travisgriggs 6y agoAs a Linux loving hacker, this sounds fun to play with. But pragmatically, how does something like this stack up against an iPad/iPadOS? If I'm to believe the press, Apple's chips are quite a ways ahead of the competition. And as much as I love developing on Linux running lxqt, I get the impression that display stacks and application development kits are also way behind in terms of efficiency, power use, and just general programmability/accessibility. Am I a victim of bad press. I'm honestly curious whether they're even in the same realm. If anything, something old school like Enlightenment or Sawfish would be fun to play with on one of these, just for the sheer "trick it out" ethos.
- k_sze 6y agoIf you are interested in hacking, you might want to look into DLT1: https://hackaday.io/project/164845-dlt-one-a-damn-linux-tablet https://hackaday.io/project/164845-dlt-one-a-damn-linux-tabl... It's not completed yet, but it's already looking awesome. Timon (a.k.a. Professor Fartsparkle, or just "professor") even managed to source a beautiful 2560x1600 10" screen.
- pratio 6y agoApple's chips are definitely faster and as an iPad user of since the first ones available, Apple UI stacks are really good. Especially now, since they're being aligned across the platforms. There's definitely stuff to complain about but I don't think this is meant to be an iPad competitor. There's been a shortage of proper tablets and alternatives in general.
- travisgriggs 6y agoBut if this isn't in the same league, is it really an alternative?
- pratio 6y agoYes, I believe so. It doesn't have to be in the same league from the very beginning. iPads are very powerful, not every average user needs that and considering the fragmented market of android tablets, there really isn't a real alternative to iOS or Android. If they create something based on KDE, that works properly on ARM and opensource it, maybe other manufactures would get in the game too
- colordrops 6y agoDefinitely would wait for Ubuntu or Arch or whatever to function well on this. Absolutely no interest in running this Chinese flavor of Linux (JingOS).
- linmob 6y agoAs a PinePhone and Librem 5 owner, I should be psyched by this, as a tablet running a Linux distribution that looks nice could really help the overall Linux on touchscreen devices ecosystem. I am not too excited though: 1. With their current, x86_64 only release, GPL violations have been alleged. 2. PowerVR graphics make mainlining this device unlikely, meaning that it’s going to be stuck on a Vendor kernel and libhybris, as that Vendor kernel has likely been released with Android devices in mind. This is OK, but it’s not good long term. 3. Their marketing is a bit over the top, full of lofty claims that often aren’t technically true as has already been discussed here.
- pratio 6y agoDo you have a source on the GPL violations? I went looking as I suspected as such but i only got as far as https://linmob.net/2021/01/31/linbits30-weekly-linux-phone-news-week4.html https://linmob.net/2021/01/31/linbits30-weekly-linux-phone-n... there's a single mention of it and the linked tweet has been deleted. If they don't release the source and the custom drivers and patches they use to power the device then they'll probably be in violation of GPL but I'm not sure of the specifics tbh. I do agree that something like this will definitely help the development of touch screen devices on Linux.
- pekinlcc 6y agohttps://github.com/jingos-team https://github.com/jingos-team
- Toutouxc 6y agoAn iPad design ripoff (complete with the JingPad Pencil) with fake images from a Chinese company. That's a no from me.
- tomxor 6y agoYes it's a rectangle ripoff it's true.
- wongarsu 6y agoI think it's the solid, flat grey-metallic border that gives it the iPad look. It's clearly distinct from e.g. the Surface (also grey border, but either slanted or with grove) or the Galaxy Tab (rounded towards the rear) or the Lenovo Tab (black, rounded in all directions). Though really there are only so many variations on "flat rectangle with screen" you can do, it's hard to come up with an obvious design that isn't in use by someone.
- tomxor 6y agosold? flat? grey? > really there are only so many variations on "flat rectangle with screen" you can do Exactly, and of those variation only a subset are widely palatable. In other words solid, grey rectangles are kinda inevitable for what is essentially a consumer hand held computer display... It's like someone calling the concept of a loop a ripoff from C - no.
- wongarsu 6y agoWell, all while and for loops are ripoffs of Algol. It is kind of notably how the JingPad looks like an iPad, but doesn't look like a Surface or Galaxy Tab or Lenovo Tab or Amazon Fire HD.
- tomxor 6y ago> Well, all while and for loops are ripoffs of Algol. That is my point, C didn't "invent" for loops just like Apple didn't "invent" a near featureless rectangle. But nether did Algol, for loops are the obvious next step for a conditional jump with a counter. In my analogy arguing about people copying Apple's iPad is like saying "look the syntax is more Algol-like than C-like", who cares, really... making simple and inevitable decisions doesn't mean people can own them and call it design, that's the child version of copyright "I have it so you can't have it".
- ddtaylor 6y agoIs there any discussion about price?
- Shared404 6y agoBefore anyone gets too excited, check the bottom comments.
- rowanG077 6y agoThis could be very interesting to me. But no specs on CPU makes me scared this will be a raspberry pi case.
- aww_dang 6y agoAside from the issues with the images others have mentioned, it would be more convincing if they had a native speaker go over their copy. >The JingPad Keyboard is inspired by the Apple Magic Keyboard for the iPads. It is a full-size 6 rows keyboard just for productivity!
- rchaud 6y agoThey're right about one thing, which is the 4:3 aspect ratio. It is ideal for tablets that are used for something besides a Netflix delivery system. Unfortunately Samsung went to 16:10 with the Tab S4 onwards. It's simply too tall in portrait and too wide in landscape, especially for something like the 12.4" Tab S7 plus. I recently snapped up a Chuwi Hipad Plus (awful name!), which is an 11" 4:3 Android tablet for this reason. It's far better to use when typing, or reading PDFs. I could not care less about "black bars" when I'm watching the occasional video.
- intricatedetail 6y agoThis does nothing for me. I am waiting for a laptop built entirely in the West even if it will be more expensive. Buying Chinese products you support social score, camps, child labour and slavery. No thank you.
- the_biot 6y agoI get what you're saying, but if you're going to take that point of view can I assume you're living in a log cabin in the woods? Anything else, and you use Chinese-made products all day long.
- intricatedetail 6y agoI try to avoid Chinese products, but it's not always possible. If we start signalling to manufacturers that this is not okey hopefully they'll be coming back to build products here.
- ashneo76 6y agoDoesn't mean that we don't say no to Chinese garbage and propaganda from being shoved down our throats
- lvass 6y agoI adore 4:3 screens and definitely see myself using something like this as my next laptop just for this reason, even if I would not touch the screen at all. But it must at least run unmodified debian before I consider buying something like this.
- mrtweetyhack 6y agoBuilt to steal your info
- mastrsushi 6y agoHobby OS powered, Chinese, counterfeit Apple products.......Yikes.