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I think this is great news, and I hope other states will follow. But it's a bit troublesome that it took a wealthy executive to get this anywhere politically, e
by batmaniam 6y ago
I think this is great news, and I hope other states will follow. But it's a bit troublesome that it took a wealthy executive to get this anywhere politically, even after years of safe-use research and its prevalence as medical treatments:
> David Bronner, the top executive at Dr. Bronner’s soap company, helped bankroll the campaign, which had to overcome pandemic restrictions to gather signatures and get on the ballot last fall.
- hahajk 6y agoDavid Bronner has a history of pro-drug activism, including planting hemp in the DEA headquarters. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/02/29/david-bronner-cannabis-activist-of-the-year https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/02/29/david-bronner-...
- dekhn 6y agoare you sure he's a wealthy executive? and if they are, the bronners totally deserve it. Dilute dilute OK!
- Zhenya 6y agoIn case folks are wondering, it's not some german brand. Founder escaped holocaust by leaving as the nazi party rose to power -. Parents stayed behind and became victims of the third reichs death death machinery.
- throwanem 6y agoJust to mention, they aren't kidding about the "dilute" part. I'm not saying how I know, but if you won't take their word for it, you'd be well advised to take mine.
- eyelidlessness 6y agoDepends on application. Undiluted in small quantities it's an excellent shampoo/conditioner substitute.
- throwanem 6y agoReally? I'd expect it to strip out all the oils, and leave behind dry hair with more of a need for conditioner than it had going in.
- eyelidlessness 6y agoQuite the opposite! At least the one I use regularly, tea tree & hemp oil, has a moisturizing quality and leaves my hair (if it's not shaved) and my beard feeling healthier. I also only wash hair/beard twice a week (any product is harmful to hair on a daily basis).
- throwanem 6y agoInteresting! As I recall, that was the same one that motivated my advice above. Maybe something about the tea tree oil, I thought, but I was strongly disinclined to further experiment.
- eyelidlessness 6y agoIt’s entirely possible we just have very different skin/hair/body chemistry and react very differently to it! Let this be a disclaimer to anyone reading the thread above: it might affect you differently!
- vulcan01 6y ago> any product is harmful to hair on a daily basis Wait, really? I shower twice a day... is water fine? How do you keep your hair clean?
- boring_twenties 6y agoNot the same guy, but I'm in the same boat. If I wash my hair every day, it gets insanely dry. I just keep most of it out of the water on the days I don't wash it. Some if it still gets wet, that's ok.
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- astrange 6y agoJust don't get the peppermint one and you'll be fine.
- dekhn 6y agoyou mean... it tingles your nethers?
- throwanem 6y agoI said I wasn't saying, but since you seem to really want to know, it made the skin turn bright red and then peel for most of a week. Like the last stage of a bad sunburn, only without the itching, which at least was something of a mercy. Even so, it put me off the stuff in a way that's lasted ever since.
- dekhn 6y agoAh, OK. I've never had such a strong reaction to the pure soap.
- throwanem 6y agoNeither did I anywhere else, and you'd think I would have, around my face or ears at least. If I'm to be entirely honest, it was a little horrifying, especially at first. That probably accounts for my having written off the entire product line, despite being reasonably confident that it was solely the tea tree oil in that one variety at fault. The regular kind never gave me any trouble, but I couldn't really look it in the face again after that, you know?
- ElijahLynn 6y agoYeah, can't believe it took this long, considering it's potential in treating PTSD. e.g. https://www.insider.com/army-vet-with-ptsd-magic-mushrooms-prevent-substance-abuse-2020-11 https://www.insider.com/army-vet-with-ptsd-magic-mushrooms-p... https://hopkinspsychedelic.org/ https://hopkinspsychedelic.org/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/johns-hopkins-scientists-give-psychedelics-the-serious-treatment/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/johns-hopkins-sci...
- Alex3917 6y agoDr. Bronner’s only exists as a result of the Holocaust, so the connection isn’t exactly lost here.
- etrautmann 6y agoCan you expand on this?
- Judgmentality 6y agoThe founder's family was murdered during the holocaust, and he escaped and started the Dr. Bronner's soap company. https://www.drbronner.com/about/ourselves/the-dr-bronners-story/ https://www.drbronner.com/about/ourselves/the-dr-bronners-st...
- sologoub 6y agoLooks like the founder managed to escape Holocaust, but his relatives perished: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Bronner%27s_Magic_Soaps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Bronner%27s_Magic_Soaps
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- AdamJacobMuller 6y ago> David Bronner, the top executive at Dr. Bronner’s soap company He might be a wealthy executive, but, you're going to have an extraordinarily hard time convincing me that he's anything but the exact opposite of the caricature of a "wealthy executive" Dr. Bronner’s is an amazing company with an amazing product. They also source some of their oil from a small fair trade olive producing cooperative in palestine[1] which I was fortunate enough to visit in 2019. The people there couldn't say enough about how Dr Bronners had saved their coop and the Palestinian olive industry. Amazing people all around and the smells of a olive oil factory producing fresh olive oil are burned into my brain now! [1] https://www.drbronner.com/all-one-blog/2017/05/growing-hope-holy-land/ https://www.drbronner.com/all-one-blog/2017/05/growing-hope-...
- sharkweek 6y agoBronner fan for life - they got me hooked when I found myself spending 15 minutes in the grocery store reading the entire label. IF CAP CLOGS, POKE IT! OKAY!!
- Judgmentality 6y agoCan you imagine a marketing company ever approving a label like that? And it's so distinct, effective, and memorable.
- inakarmacoma 6y agoWell, memorable might be a bit debatable. It would make one impressive slam poetry performance to memorize. Distinctive, though, for sure.
- sharkweek 6y agoIt's such beautiful organic (* rimshot *) branding
- TylerE 6y agoI can actually. There was a whole fad of anti-marketing marketing for a while. Burt's Bees pushed that hard for a long time (and they are actually VERY corporate...there is a docu basically all about how the actual Burt got screwed in the whole deal)
- de6u99er 6y agoI remember vaguely New Yeqrs eve 2000 in Amsterdam. I want to spare you the details. What I actually wanted to say is, that MMs are not allowed for sale any more in Amsterdam. Thinking again of Y2K, I would suggest to not allow them to be sold to drunk customers.
- brokenmachine 6y agoAny English-language descriptions of the incident and reactions?
- driton 6y agoI am unsure if this is the incident that they are referring to, however a teenager died in 2007 after jumping off a bridge while under influence[0]. As per the article, that was the catalyst for getting hallucinogenic mushrooms banned. 0: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-dutch-mushroom-idUSTRE4AR32R20081128 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-dutch-mushroom-idUSTRE4AR...
- brokenmachine 6y agoThanks. Imagine the outrage if alcohol caused the death of a single person... Oh, wait. In my high school someone literally did get drunk and die from jumping off a bridge. Astonishingly Australia didn't ban beer after that.
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- pdamoc 6y agoTim Ferriss is responsible for a large amount of studies on the effect of psilocybin on depression. I think he invested something like $2M in research.
- nuker 6y ago> I think this is great news Should we add heroin there too? I mean, whats the red line? Or there should not be any? For medical uses it can be prescribed, by doctor.
- andrewxdiamond 6y ago> after years of safe-use research and its prevalence as medical treatments
- nuker 6y agoYep, doctors can prescribe it, with fixed quantity/time.
- andrewxdiamond 6y ago“Safe use” being the important term. It refers to the lack of any lethal or physically damaging effects, as proven by numerous studies. No one has ever died from psilocybin. Heroin is not at all safe, as you are aware. It is perfectly capable of killing.
- heroprotagonist 6y agoI think we definitely need a new approach to dealing with drugs and addiction. We spend a ridiculous amount on incarceration, per inmate. Federally it's above $37k per year as of 2018 [1], and states averaged over $33k in 2015 [2]. That's excluding the cost of policing the drug war, lost taxation on illicit goods, state-funded medical and wage impact of addiction, or the lost consumer impact to the economy of those incarcerated or under addiction. Ultimately drug addiction is a health and social issue. Treating it as a criminal issue has not significantly helped the problem. We can hamper black markets through legalization and regulation while reducing significant costs across a wide array of categories. But I don't think we should simply legalize and be done with it, as that'd be dangerous. We need to shift the money we're already ineffectually spending. Put it into research, therapy, and the infrastructure surrounding regulation. Maybe mandated counseling to the addicted, once supply is more effectively monitored and controlled. We need to focus on positive outcomes for individuals. Incarceration generally only pushes people into a spiral of continued negative outcomes. [1] https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/11/19/2019-24942/annual-determination-of-average-cost-of-incarceration-fee-coif https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/11/19/2019-24... [2] https://www.vera.org/publications/price-of-prisons-2015-state-spending-trends/price-of-prisons-2015-state-spending-trends/price-of-prisons-2015-state-spending-trends-prison-spending https://www.vera.org/publications/price-of-prisons-2015-stat...