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I don't think, "Most people are oblivious," they just don't care and/or don't understand the implications. The idea that the government can use your mobile pho

by poink 6y ago

I don't think, "Most people are oblivious," they just don't care and/or don't understand the implications. The idea that the government can use your mobile phone to spy on you is so widely understood that even the dumbest popcorn movies make sure to show fugitives ditching their phones and criminals collecting/discarding them before they discuss business without explaining why. Everybody understands the purpose of a "burner" phone.

_wldu 6y ago
Yes, most everyone knows that they can be tracked. The point is that we voluntarily paid/pay to build and maintain the tracking infrastructure. That's what most people don't realize.
tw04 6y ago
>I don't think, "Most people are oblivious," they just don't care and/or don't understand the implications. But they do, that's what's baffling. The number of people I have heard parrot the "Bill Gates put a tracking chip in the vaccine" has me both baffled and worried. These are people who appear to be otherwise completely sane and mostly rational. When I've pointed out that's literally what their phone does, so why would Bill Gates waste any money putting something in a vaccine (ignoring that's not even physically possible) - I get a "well that's different". They are concerned, but as a non-technical person for some reason they just can't quite wrap their heads around what is happening.
- mbg721 6y ago
  They can, but they wish it weren't true. Cell phones have an obvious huge upside, and society has adjusted itself so that you pretty much have to have one. (Ever asked to use somebody's phone?). Meanwhile, one of these technocrats is pushing a vaccine that might as well be magic, developed in an unusually short time, to cure a disease that people think might occasionally kill somebody else, but probably not them. The response makes complete sense.
  - clankyclanker 6y ago
    Would it not lead to a horrifying dystopia, it wold be interesting to see how the response changed it the vaccine were marketed as a status symbol.
    - jfengel 6y ago
      It is notable that vaccine acceptance has gone up now that it is widely available, which also coincides with the departure of an influential politician who had been downplaying the significance of the disease. It's hard to disentangle the two effects, but there is a burgeoning symbol of status in people literally displaying their vaccine cards. It hasn't completely undone the damage, but it does seem to ameliorate it.
- brokenmachine 6y ago
  >But they do, that's what's baffling I think it's more that there's no other option. They need their phone, and they don't like all the tracking just like you or I don't like the tracking, but that's their only option if they want to use a phone.

by poink 6y ago

_wldu 6y ago

Yes, most everyone knows that they can be tracked. The point is that we voluntarily paid/pay to build and maintain the tracking infrastructure. That's what most people don't realize.

tw04 6y ago

>I don't think, "Most people are oblivious," they just don't care and/or don't understand the implications. But they do, that's what's baffling. The number of people I have heard parrot the "Bill Gates put a tracking chip in the vaccine" has me both baffled and worried. These are people who appear to be otherwise completely sane and mostly rational. When I've pointed out that's literally what their phone does, so why would Bill Gates waste any money putting something in a vaccine (ignoring that's not even physically possible) - I get a "well that's different". They are concerned, but as a non-technical person for some reason they just can't quite wrap their heads around what is happening.

mbg721 6y ago
They can, but they wish it weren't true. Cell phones have an obvious huge upside, and society has adjusted itself so that you pretty much have to have one. (Ever asked to use somebody's phone?). Meanwhile, one of these technocrats is pushing a vaccine that might as well be magic, developed in an unusually short time, to cure a disease that people think might occasionally kill somebody else, but probably not them. The response makes complete sense.
- clankyclanker 6y ago
  Would it not lead to a horrifying dystopia, it wold be interesting to see how the response changed it the vaccine were marketed as a status symbol.
  - jfengel 6y ago
    It is notable that vaccine acceptance has gone up now that it is widely available, which also coincides with the departure of an influential politician who had been downplaying the significance of the disease. It's hard to disentangle the two effects, but there is a burgeoning symbol of status in people literally displaying their vaccine cards. It hasn't completely undone the damage, but it does seem to ameliorate it.
brokenmachine 6y ago
>But they do, that's what's baffling I think it's more that there's no other option. They need their phone, and they don't like all the tracking just like you or I don't like the tracking, but that's their only option if they want to use a phone.