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As I see it, in the summer there's plenty of daylight so it doesn't matter very much how you set your clock, but in the winter it does matter: children would be
by bloak 6y ago
As I see it, in the summer there's plenty of daylight so it doesn't matter very much how you set your clock, but in the winter it does matter: children would be cycling to school in the dark if you moved the clocks forward (and they'd be cycling back from school in the dark if you moved the clocks back). Therefore, if you want to abolish the clock changes, which seems like an excellent idea to me, the safe and conservative way to do that is to use today's winter time all year round.
- gburnett 6y agoA change to GMT all year round would be most welcome here in the U.K.
- richrichardsson 6y ago> the safe and conservative way to do that is to use today's winter time all year round What are the points that lead you to this conclusion? Personally I'd prefer if DST was abolished by staying on Summer Time permanently, as I dislike the lack of light in the evening, and couldn't care less about the dark mornings, but mine is a purely selfish reasoning.
- eru 6y agoJust get up earlier? Moving around what we call the hours of the day doesn't change anything real.
- TuringTest 6y agoUnfortunately, business have a habit of maintaining the same opening schedules all year long, which means they open earlier in summer and later in winter (relative to the sun). You don't change the sun, but changing own habits relative to the clock is not an option for the majority of people - so if the clock changes, society follows.
- da_big_ghey 6y agoThis is why we want normal time not daylight delay. This solution wake up and have about two hours to eat breakfast, get dressed, etc. before day starts with earnest.
- loloquwowndueo 6y agoI applaud your self-awareness and courage to say you’re selfish. No other comment - I just found that refreshingly non-controversy-seeking and honest.
- llampx 6y agoPeople are overwhelmingly selfish, they just don't like to mention it. Even in politics, people vote for their interests I'd say a vast majority of the time.
- da_big_ghey 6y agoSame way, I selfish want normal time. No daylight delay. Dislike one more hour after arising before sun appearing. Hate sit in dark fore much time. So I am vote opposing any daylight delay and only fore normal time all time. Fortunate on my arguments can support from studies. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26464461 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26464461
- eru 6y ago> Therefore, if you want to abolish the clock changes, which seems like an excellent idea to me, the safe and conservative way to do that is to use today's winter time all year round. Please take into account that people will settle into their own equilibria. Ie just because the government suddenly calls noon 3pm, doesn't mean people will change what 'real' time they get up at. Especially not in the long run. You can see a bit of that in Spanish vs Polish habits. 'Nominally' Spanish people dine very late, but that's partially because they share the same timezone with Poland. Measured by 'real' time, they differences aren't nearly as crazy.
- mrfusion 6y agoIt seems like the children going to school in the dark is the main counterargument. Could schools just start later in the winter or have reduced hours? Or could we add street lighting?
- ianai 6y agoOr just make their day end earlier. No reason it needs to be a national impact.
- bena 6y agoOr, you know, change the school year so that it occurs in the time of year with the most light.
- ako 6y agoYes, and when winter schedule starts, children will stay in a bed an hour longer, and in springtime, children will have to get up an hour earlier again. What have you gained? Nothing. You've actually made things worse, because now some people get up earlier/later than others, creating confusion amongst people that need to align their schedules.
- another-dave 6y agoI think the real benefit of DST is spring/autumn where you definitely do get more daylight during waking hours rather than mid-summer (i.e. check out sunrise/sunset times for April/September rather than July)
- burnte 6y agoI am from Pittsburgh PA, and we'd be up in the dark waiting for the bus half the school year. IMO that's not an argument for falling back because we were in the dark whith falling back already.