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1:1 conversations continue to be e2e and will forever be (allegedly). Communicating with a business will not be e2e, per their new TOS. Simple “Privacy nutrit

1:1 conversations continue to be e2e and will forever be (allegedly). Communicating with a business will not be e2e, per their new TOS. Simple “Privacy nutrition labels”, like apple recently introduced in the App Store are a neat idea, but because they are self reported and not standardized they can do more harm than good. Eg it’s not clear from the labels that WhatsApp is e2e for personal comms while telegram isn’t by default and never for groups. WhatsApp confirms they keep some of your personal data including phone numbers from your address book but doesn’t currently share that with Facebook.

waterglassFull 6y ago
Thank you very much
intricatedetail 6y ago
They are also capable of identifying spam so indirectly he confirmed they do read messages.
- self 6y ago
  They don't need to read messages to identify spam: https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/02/how-whatsapp-is-fighting-spam-after-its-encryption-rollout/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/02/how-whatsapp-is-fighting-s...
  - ffpip 6y ago
    But they do send recent messages when you report someone. > Once reported, WhatsApp receives the most recent messages sent to you by a reported user or group, as well as information on your recent interactions with the reported user. https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/security-and-privacy/staying-safe-on-whatsapp/?lang=en https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/security-and-privacy/stayin...
    - intricatedetail 6y ago
      So in theory authorities just have to "report" and then request the messages.
      - tmp538394722 6y ago
        No, that’s not how it works. If I have received a message I can report that message.
        intricatedetail 6y ago
        I see. Still there shouldn't be such option and if it exists then how do you know the client won't be sending messages as if you were reporting them?
        tmp538394722 6y ago
        You don’t think you should be able to report being harassed or spammed?

waterglassFull 6y ago

Thank you very much

intricatedetail 6y ago

They are also capable of identifying spam so indirectly he confirmed they do read messages.

self 6y ago
They don't need to read messages to identify spam: https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/02/how-whatsapp-is-fighting-spam-after-its-encryption-rollout/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/02/how-whatsapp-is-fighting-s...
- ffpip 6y ago
  But they do send recent messages when you report someone. > Once reported, WhatsApp receives the most recent messages sent to you by a reported user or group, as well as information on your recent interactions with the reported user. https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/security-and-privacy/staying-safe-on-whatsapp/?lang=en https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/security-and-privacy/stayin...
  - intricatedetail 6y ago
    So in theory authorities just have to "report" and then request the messages.
    - tmp538394722 6y ago
      No, that’s not how it works. If I have received a message I can report that message.
      - intricatedetail 6y ago
        I see. Still there shouldn't be such option and if it exists then how do you know the client won't be sending messages as if you were reporting them?
        tmp538394722 6y ago
        You don’t think you should be able to report being harassed or spammed?