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Woman created deepfake videos to force rivals off daughter’s cheerleading squad
- nix23 6y agoRaffeala Spone, the former cia black propaganda operator and specialist...on a new and different mission, watch season one now!!! A netflix original :)
- egberts 6y agoThere’s a grain of truth in there somewhere.
- threatofrain 6y agoI envision a possible future where people wear tracking and recording technology at all times to provide plausible counter-narratives to deep fakes.
- barkingcat 6y agoWe already do. It's called a cell phone.
- dividedbyzero 6y agoBut at least my cellphone doesn't track my every movement and my surroundings to enable me to defend against unfounded accusations and deepfakes, it does so to help Google sell ads.
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- eivarv 6y agoI hope we just do the rational thing, and rather stop treating video as if its some perfect representation of reality that's inherently trustworthy. We've had to confront similar issues with other media earlier in history, after all.
- azinman2 6y agoYet without video many terrible crimes would go unpunished. What else do you propose?
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- andrewflnr 6y agoCryptographic chain of custody from CCD to MPG, with public keys for video recording HW burned in at the factory. I don't know if that's at all feasible. Possibly only for security cameras.
- eivarv 6y agoNo, god damn it. As soon as the cat's out of the bag, it'll forever be an arms race (there'll be attack vectors, etc.). Let's not just establish a new proxy for implicit trust here.
- andrewflnr 6y agoWhat qualifies as evidence, then? Trust is important, but it can only exist long-term if there's a way to detect lies/betrayal. Anyway, I expect market forces to steamroll both of our opinions.
- eivarv 6y agoI don't know – but as far as I see it, that's irrelevant in pointing out that video (in and of itself) should not be trusted by virtue of being video. The fact that you can't imagine – and I don't provide – any alternative proposition does not make implicitly trusting video a good proposition. But, yeah, I suspect reality will probably disappoint us both...
- ramphastidae 6y agoI agree. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if “civilian” bodycams become the norm in public in the next ten years. It’s just a matter of making them convenient and fashionable enough.
- LocalH 6y agoGoogle Glass tried that. Even with an obvious indicator of recording, some people still believed that anyone wearing Google Glass was recording 24/7. There's no way that'd fly in modern society.
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- rhn_mk1 6y agoRecording indicators are doomed to fail, as people want a not-recording indicator. The only obvious and reliable one is having the camera out of sight.
- ipaddr 6y agoIn any downtown area you are on camera 24/7. I think the expectations of privacy have changed. Google glasses released on mass now would not make similiar headlines.
- cat199 6y ago'downtown areas' have been on camera for decades, certainly by the time google glass was released, so i don't think this is really a useful data point.
- beardog 6y agoGo to a public area and visibly record people. Particularly while talking to them. You will annoy a lot of people and some will act with hostility (especially if you don't frame it as some sort of interview). People don't like it when nobodies are filming them, even in very public spaces. For some reason they are ok with CCTV, despite that not being much different (I do recognize that cctv is typically recording a general area and isn't always HQ)
- ipaddr 6y agoI think people don't mind being recorded but they want to know why. If the reason becomes because a big name company does it automatically we generally accept. For example people now accept amazon / google listening to background conversations in order to process commands.
- blunte 6y agoFrom TFA (and making assumptions about the woman), I don't believe these were "deepfakes". It sounds like it was just the usual Photoshop kind of stuff. And in that regard, it's just another sad story about some people with issues.
- phreack 6y agoIt's hard for the general public to grasp the difference between a photoshopped image and one generated with ML processes, so I expect both will be called "deep fakes" by the media for the foreseeable future.
- monkpit 6y agoThat’s unfortunate. But also probably true.
- swsieber 6y agoIt did mention videos. That makes me think they're deep fakes.
- starmftronajoll 6y agoI thought so too, but then I re-read the article and the original report linked from the article, and they both seem to use “video” and “photo” interchangeably. Whenever specifics are given, though, it’s always a photo. Despite the headline, the reports provide no evidence that there were actual videos involved, AFAICT.
- barbecue_sauce 6y agoMaybe it was a video slideshow.
- dorkwood 6y agoThere aren't any videos mentioned in quotes, which makes me think that it's likely a mistake on the reporter's part. This paragraph seems to conflate the two. > The videos were analyzed, and detectives were able to determine they were “deepfakes” — digitally altered but realistic-looking images — created by mapping the girls’ social media photos onto other images, the Philly Inquirer reported.
- danso 6y ago> The videos were analyzed, and detectives were able to determine they were “deepfakes” — digitally altered but realistic-looking images — created by mapping the girls’ social media photos onto other images, the Philly Inquirer reported. Not looking forward to the next year or so, when consumer-grade tech is good enough that the average detective won't be able to detect fakes so easily.
- f430 6y agoHow did she get caught?
- oh_sigh 6y agoYou might be interested in this news story which goes into the details of how she got caught: https://www.pennlive.com/news/2021/03/pa-woman-created-deepfake-videos-to-force-rivals-off-daughters-cheerleading-squad-police.html https://www.pennlive.com/news/2021/03/pa-woman-created-deepf...
- ramphastidae 6y agoUsername checks out.
- thaumasiotes 6y agoYou know, I read the article, found your comment, upvoted it because I would have been interested in the details of how she got caught, and then saw it's the same article. This does not go into the details of how she got caught; that is dealt with only in this single sentence: > The videos were analyzed, and detectives were able to determine they were “deepfakes” — digitally altered but realistic-looking images — created by mapping the girls’ social media photos onto other images, the Philly Inquirer reported. I'm glad we can undo upvotes now, I guess.
- oh_sigh 6y agoLiterally the paragraph after the one you quoted: > Officers were able to execute multiple search warrants that allowed them to trace the text messages back to Spone’s IP address and then her cell phone, police said.
- thaumasiotes 6y agoThat's a question of how they attributed the images to her. It's not a question of how they determined that she faked the images.
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- sitkack 6y agoHere is a great PSA on how to defend yourself against DeepFakes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r-r6lFheKA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r-r6lFheKA
- dqpb 6y agoThat video just says to listen to the voice, but faking the voice is also part of the technology now
- sitkack 6y agoWhich itself was entirely faked.
- schwartzworld 6y agoAlso, people exist who are good at voice mimicry. I can do a number of celebrity voices and some of my friends too.
- marcodiego 6y agoNice that the got the criminal but considering we're entering the "post-truth" era... how can we check this news is true? Not wanting to fuel any conspiracy theory, just genuinely curious.
- WiseWeasel 6y agoSame as always, by considering available evidence, gathering testimonials, and determining the most likely explanation. The increasing abundance of recorded data in the custody of a growing number of entities likely outcompetes the ability to fabricate evidence, making objective truth more knowable than ever.
- brnt 6y agoSo then attempting to live in privacy by reducing tracking and data recording becomes a liability. Great.
- supergirl 6y agounrelated but cheerleading is such a sexist "sport".
- TedDoesntTalk 6y agoBecause there are so few male cheerleaders?
- nix23 6y agoNo because the males don't wear miniskirts...eh minikilts i mean.
- supergirl 6y agoexactly. cheerleaders are right there with F1 girls, boxing girls, etc. a quick sexual entertainment for men during half times.
- TedDoesntTalk 6y agoThen why do women (not girls) voluntarily participate?
- supergirl 6y agooh, they do it voluntarily, means it's all good? they do it "voluntarily" because many people still think it's normal; that's the society in which they were raised. they don't know any better. it's something still normal just like we used to think it's normal to beat your wife not too long ago (and probably still normal in some countries).
- LocalH 6y agoFunny how this particular strain of feminism tends to remove women's agency
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- ekianjo 6y agos/deepfake videos/photoshopped images
- swalls 6y agoHow do you go about gathering data and training a model for hundreds of hours and not question that what you're doing is wrong?
- mistersquid 6y ago> How do you go about gathering data and training a model for hundreds of hours and not question that what you're doing is wrong? Technical competence is not a proxy for ethical behavior.
- seba_dos1 6y agoYou know, you could ask a sizeable chunk of SV the exact same question.
- upofadown 6y agoEven if the images represented reality, what the mother was doing was still harassment, particularly with the nudity angle.
- thisiscorrect 6y agoShe could be facing much more serious charges for that too. It sounds like these girls are minors.
- isuckatcoding 6y agoMaybe forensics/criminology is already there but I wonder if detailed study of fake videos will become a very in/demand skill / specialization.
- airhead969 6y agoShe's preparing the daughter for med school or law school, and maybe a career with an MBB. Daughter's got to learn the Six Sigmas somehow: 1. Teamwork 2. Insight 3. Brutality 4. Male enhancement 5. Hand-shakefulness (post-COVID) 6. Play-hard Devil's advocate: Without getting caught, one has to ponder the malice vs. the expedient and rational considerations for competitive genetic advantages conferred, socially and scholastically.
- egberts 6y agoLawsuit filed in 2014. Deepfake then, not so much.
- ghgdynb1 6y agoA lot of people are considering what it might look like to live in a “post-truth” world. To me events like this suggest projects like ChainLink and the Band Protocol might become vital infrastructure of truth much sooner than many think.