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Many hosts (and users of hosts) - including myself - over at WebHostingTalk use/sell cPanel hosting a fair amount. And naturally 64 MB of RAM would NOT be enou

Many hosts (and users of hosts) - including myself - over at WebHostingTalk use/sell cPanel hosting a fair amount. And naturally 64 MB of RAM would NOT be enough for a VPS running cPanel (or any other mainstream server control panel, for that matter). If the user is happy to use command line though then yes, he can run 18 static sites on a 64 MB VPS. His post doesn't mention whether he's happy to have a no-control panel VPS though, so this entire blog post (well, the basis for it) does seem to be predicated on a fairly big assumption... Overall it's a good, informative post though.

bcl 15y ago
Why the heck do you need a control panel to simply scp or sftp files over to a virtual host?
- jonknee 15y ago
  Many people in the market for such entry-level hosting don't have the know-how to setup and manage accounts/virtual hosts.
  - norova 15y ago
    Those people in the market for entry-level hosting don't use a VPS, they use a shared hosting service.
    - jonknee 15y ago
      They use whatever's cheap and then will ask for help.
  - cdx 15y ago
    This article is more aimed to the type of user who would use a command line interface. If they require cpanel, they should look elsewhere. Negating this article because of a potential user deficiency is ludicrous.
dmmcintyre3 15y ago
Unless you own a web host (that includes just hosting frineds/family) there is NO reason for cPanel (or other panels) except you not knowing how to run a server
- SwellJoe 15y ago
  There are plenty of reasons to use administrative tools. There are millions of people using them...including a significant number of experienced system administrators. Our userbase (Virtualmin, an Open Source competitor to cPanel, based on Webmin) is largely made up of experienced system administrators who've built web hosting systems for years. I've been a sysadmin for about 14 years now, and I find it tedious to manage virtual hosts, DNS records, databases, etc. manually, even though I'm entirely capable of doing so. I'm not going to try to convince you that you should use a web hosting control panel, but I will point out that millions of people, almost certainly including at least a few people who have more experience than you, disagree with you.
  - dmmcintyre3 15y ago
    I don't find it hard to manage vhosts, dns records and databases by hand. What I do: each site gets it's own nginx config file, domain.name.conf (replace domain.name with real domain) databases get prefixed with the domain name (replace . with _ ) Also, I'm working on a script to handle the DNS zones for me.
    - SwellJoe 15y ago
      I didn't say it was hard. I said it was tedious. Also, I'm working on a script to handle the DNS zones for me. Yeah, we worked on one of those, too. We called it Webmin (literally, Webmin began as a simple tool for managing and delegating management of DNS records about 14 years ago). And, then we worked on a script to manage virtual hosts, mailboxes, databases, web applications, LDAP, DNS slaves, SVN and git, awstats and Webalizer, resource usage data collection and reporting, user management and delegation to untrusted users, virus and AV scanning, Greylisting, SPF record management, DKIM key management, automated backup and restoration of virtual hosts and all associated data, etc. We called that script (or huge pile of scripts as the case may be) Virtualmin. Again, I encourage you to work in whatever way you are most comfortable and productive. I manage a few dozen websites, and find having tools to automate much of that process is valuable for me. Millions of users seem to agree that Webmin and/or Virtualmin removes tedium for them, as well. And, I'm sure the same can be said of cPanel users. Incompetence is not the only reason someone would do something differently than you. Different requirements breed different solutions.

bcl 15y ago

Why the heck do you need a control panel to simply scp or sftp files over to a virtual host?

jonknee 15y ago
Many people in the market for such entry-level hosting don't have the know-how to setup and manage accounts/virtual hosts.
- norova 15y ago
  Those people in the market for entry-level hosting don't use a VPS, they use a shared hosting service.
  - jonknee 15y ago
    They use whatever's cheap and then will ask for help.
- cdx 15y ago
  This article is more aimed to the type of user who would use a command line interface. If they require cpanel, they should look elsewhere. Negating this article because of a potential user deficiency is ludicrous.

dmmcintyre3 15y ago

Unless you own a web host (that includes just hosting frineds/family) there is NO reason for cPanel (or other panels) except you not knowing how to run a server

SwellJoe 15y ago
There are plenty of reasons to use administrative tools. There are millions of people using them...including a significant number of experienced system administrators. Our userbase (Virtualmin, an Open Source competitor to cPanel, based on Webmin) is largely made up of experienced system administrators who've built web hosting systems for years. I've been a sysadmin for about 14 years now, and I find it tedious to manage virtual hosts, DNS records, databases, etc. manually, even though I'm entirely capable of doing so. I'm not going to try to convince you that you should use a web hosting control panel, but I will point out that millions of people, almost certainly including at least a few people who have more experience than you, disagree with you.
- dmmcintyre3 15y ago
  I don't find it hard to manage vhosts, dns records and databases by hand. What I do: each site gets it's own nginx config file, domain.name.conf (replace domain.name with real domain) databases get prefixed with the domain name (replace . with _ ) Also, I'm working on a script to handle the DNS zones for me.
  - SwellJoe 15y ago
    I didn't say it was hard. I said it was tedious. Also, I'm working on a script to handle the DNS zones for me. Yeah, we worked on one of those, too. We called it Webmin (literally, Webmin began as a simple tool for managing and delegating management of DNS records about 14 years ago). And, then we worked on a script to manage virtual hosts, mailboxes, databases, web applications, LDAP, DNS slaves, SVN and git, awstats and Webalizer, resource usage data collection and reporting, user management and delegation to untrusted users, virus and AV scanning, Greylisting, SPF record management, DKIM key management, automated backup and restoration of virtual hosts and all associated data, etc. We called that script (or huge pile of scripts as the case may be) Virtualmin. Again, I encourage you to work in whatever way you are most comfortable and productive. I manage a few dozen websites, and find having tools to automate much of that process is valuable for me. Millions of users seem to agree that Webmin and/or Virtualmin removes tedium for them, as well. And, I'm sure the same can be said of cPanel users. Incompetence is not the only reason someone would do something differently than you. Different requirements breed different solutions.