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If you're talking about New Caledonia it's as really biased view. It was a special agreement following a stron crisis with the Kanak independance mouvement that

by boudin 6y ago

If you're talking about New Caledonia it's as really biased view. It was a special agreement following a stron crisis with the Kanak independance mouvement that allowed to agree on 3 independance votes. There's a big difference in votes between the people from metropolitan France and a much stronger support for independance in the Kanak population. We'll see next year what's the result is going to be, but the last one was quite close. Other territories do not have the opportunity to vote on their independance.

orwin 6y ago
Kanak and new Caledonia is a very hard problem to solve, for France but especially for residents. The issue is more about identity and origin than independance at that point (but freedom is nice to have in any case). The past referendum results mean nothing, they were not rejected because people did not want to be free, but because they don't know who they are. And an independence vote won't be like Brexit, France actually agreed to let new Caledonia resident keep their french passport and rights if they chose to go independent, the effective change will by that social services, police, healthcare will be run by New Caledonia people, but it won't change private rights until next generation. Its a hard question anyway. I've stayed a year in French polynesia small islands (and ocean, mostly ocean...), i'm pretty sure the only islands that want to leave are the ones with the international airports (and i'm not sure about Bora Bora, never went there). Those with offshore ressources especially don't seem to trust the independence party for whatever reason (it might have changed since then).
- boudin 6y ago
  Identity and independance are quite tight together though, no? I think it was the idea behind having 3 referendums: to give people the time to think, debate and make their mind after having seen the bigger picture given by the vote (basically considering independance as a possible thing). I would think that being colonised, and for such a long time, is a really complex situation to deal with and has a deep impact on everything. As a white metropolitan french I feel the only right thing to do is to give colonised people the choice, the time to prepare for it and to not take any outcome personally. In regards to Mururoa I'm glad the actual impact is becoming public now. This is part of the many shameful things that we did in colonies, and, even if it's impossible to make things right, we should take responsibilities on all the consequences.
kergonath 6y ago
Mururoa is not in New Caledonia. The situations of French Polynesia and New Caledonia are quite different for a whole bunch of reasons. I am not quite sure what you mean by “other territories do not have the opportunity to vote in their independence”. French Polynesia has its own parliament and government, which has been dominated by “independentists” for quite a while. Nothing is stopping them from holding a referendum every other year, just like in New Caledonia.

by boudin 6y ago

orwin 6y ago

Kanak and new Caledonia is a very hard problem to solve, for France but especially for residents. The issue is more about identity and origin than independance at that point (but freedom is nice to have in any case). The past referendum results mean nothing, they were not rejected because people did not want to be free, but because they don't know who they are. And an independence vote won't be like Brexit, France actually agreed to let new Caledonia resident keep their french passport and rights if they chose to go independent, the effective change will by that social services, police, healthcare will be run by New Caledonia people, but it won't change private rights until next generation. Its a hard question anyway. I've stayed a year in French polynesia small islands (and ocean, mostly ocean...), i'm pretty sure the only islands that want to leave are the ones with the international airports (and i'm not sure about Bora Bora, never went there). Those with offshore ressources especially don't seem to trust the independence party for whatever reason (it might have changed since then).

boudin 6y ago
Identity and independance are quite tight together though, no? I think it was the idea behind having 3 referendums: to give people the time to think, debate and make their mind after having seen the bigger picture given by the vote (basically considering independance as a possible thing). I would think that being colonised, and for such a long time, is a really complex situation to deal with and has a deep impact on everything. As a white metropolitan french I feel the only right thing to do is to give colonised people the choice, the time to prepare for it and to not take any outcome personally. In regards to Mururoa I'm glad the actual impact is becoming public now. This is part of the many shameful things that we did in colonies, and, even if it's impossible to make things right, we should take responsibilities on all the consequences.

kergonath 6y ago

Mururoa is not in New Caledonia. The situations of French Polynesia and New Caledonia are quite different for a whole bunch of reasons. I am not quite sure what you mean by “other territories do not have the opportunity to vote in their independence”. French Polynesia has its own parliament and government, which has been dominated by “independentists” for quite a while. Nothing is stopping them from holding a referendum every other year, just like in New Caledonia.