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I agree that you have to be essentially anonymous to take part in counterculture these days. But the author claims that Discord and Reddit are examples of count
by kart23 6y ago
I agree that you have to be essentially anonymous to take part in counterculture these days. But the author claims that Discord and Reddit are examples of counterculture. I wholeheartedly disagree, these platforms are overly sanitized, moderated by the company, not the community. On Discord, people get banned for empty mass reports, and they can delete servers as they please. Reddit is valuable for driving communities to self-hosted, private forums, where I believe that counterculture has and will be born from.
- TimedToasts 6y agoReddit is the least countercultural site I can imagine. It's still Top 10 in sites visited, is it not? It's the very zeitgeist of the times. Those examples weaken an otherwise good article.
- twobitshifter 6y agoMaybe Reddit as a whole, but what are your thoughts on WallStreetBets? It seems that WSB has all of the elements of a counterculture, although maybe diluted after the wide spread GME interest.
- deliveryboyman 6y agoWSB is a shade of its former self now due to the onslaught of new members
- monocasa 6y agoHas a "what was WSB before the eternal September" escape hatch subreddit popped up yet?
- ZephyrBlu 6y agoYes, /r/wallstreetbetsogs.
- ZephyrBlu 6y agoCheck out /r/wallstreetbetsogs. It's an attempt to bring back the old school WSB.
- deliveryboyman 6y agoI tried it out for a few days. It's also nowhere near the old WSB.
- the_only_law 6y agoI remember popping into r/WSB towards the end of the first wave of GME stuff and it seemed to be nothing more that what’s described on reddit as a “circlejerk”. It was also interesting to see a dozen different spin-offs when searching for it. Maybe it was like that before but everything felt forced and unnatural as if the new users were attempting to “fit in” by imitating the culture and vocabulary.
- juststeve 6y agoYeah because WSB uses another language that many do not know, or care to know.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y agoI’m really not sure “diamond hands” and “retard” count so much as another language. I think the big gap between there and other places on the same subject is on “gambling logic”, not right or wrong, I’ve seen more people there admit that than “Wallstreet Types” who would be trillionaires if they actually knew how to win.
- juststeve 6y agoFair. But there is also some assumed knowledge of what futures and puts are, no?
- satellite2 6y agoWSB seems like the definition of a smart hedge fund that managed to manipulate the market transparently. Everything there reeks of fake, manufactured and engineered "counter" culture
- SyzygistSix 6y agoI think the thing that is/was countercultural were the actions taken by WallStreetBets, not the site itself.
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- redisman 6y agoIt used to be fairly "counter-culture"ish back in the day before it was run like a corporation.
- monocasa 6y agoReddit is a meta site. The default subs are of course the default consensus, but you can find subs of nearly every other position under the sun.
- cambalache 6y agoNo. Most "radical" subs will be suppressed or otherwise banned by selectively enforcing the rules. For every rule broken in r/thedonald or r/chapotraphouse you could find dozens of similar examples in r/news and r/politics.
- monocasa 6y agoYou can absolutely find subreddits dedicated to pretty much every extremist position to this day.
- cambalache 6y agoWait for them to grow up to even a modest number of subscribers. First they will be brigaded (with no action from the admins), then they will be quarantined and lastly they will be outright banned.
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- edrxty 6y agoFurther, reddit is built from the ground up to force consensus. Counterculture cannot exist on the site by definition, as anything prevalent on the site is there by consensus.
- throwaway0a5e 6y agoSo is HN and any other platform with where upvote/downvote is the primary factor in the algorithm.
- juststeve 6y agoAgree - and People should also be aware who funds these sites. Especially reddit.
- monocasa 6y agoI'd argue that the way reddit is currently designed is to hold on to it's user base without them having consensus. The way that subreddits allow separation of their user base (but they're all still users and seeing ads, buying gold, etc) allows communities to exist in a way other social media sites don't really allow (except maybe facebook groups).
- krapp 6y ago>Counterculture cannot exist on the site by definition, as anything prevalent on the site is there by consensus. That makes no sense - consensus must exist within a counterculture for it to be definable, therefore counterculture and consensus can coexist. Being "prevalent" has no bearing whatsoever on being a counterculture. It's entirely possible for a counterculture to have a subreddit and not be prevalent. The vast majority of content on Reddit never even touches the frontpage. You could say that a counterculture can't exist on Reddit that runs counter to the platform's terms of service, and that might be true, but it's also conditional.
- ontekhunhsentuh 6y agoI'll add that Discord does not support right-to-read. They will occasionally remove a server and ban everyone who had access to that server, regardless of whether or not they had posted or participated in that server or contacted any members of that server. They view the act of reading the server posts as a bannable offense.
- 1123581321 6y agoWhat incident are you referring to? Having trouble searching for it.
- anticensor 6y agoThere are multiple occurances of that. They do that when they fail to identify the actual offender or they ban for a non-existent reason ("just to ban it"). If they find the actual offender, things differ and actual offender gets banned.
- 1123581321 6y agoThat makes sense. I’m just looking to read some forum drama, or something, about one of these moments. Doesn’t have to be a news article.
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- juststeve 6y agoYep, or self hosted sites