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To me its crazy too about how the rioters in the Capitol are rightly prosecuted, but the riots in Portland Federal Courthouse as still going on and nytimes wont

by u678u 6y ago

To me its crazy too about how the rioters in the Capitol are rightly prosecuted, but the riots in Portland Federal Courthouse as still going on and nytimes wont even mention it. EDIT: I hate bringing politics on HN, but cnn/nytimes have become the mirror of fox. Biden/Democrats are wonderful and do no wrong, Trump/GOP are always doing bad things. Just as the Taibbi article says.

r00fus 6y ago
Maybe because one is actually a treasonous riot and the other just a protest?
- BrawnLongHaul 6y ago
  The mental gymnastics to reach this conclusion (assuming you are not being scarcastic) are astounding!
  - necrotic_comp 6y ago
    When did the rioters in Portland breach the building ?
    - NoOneNew 6y ago
      So... trying to set government buildings on fire with people inside is okay as long as you don't enter... got it.
  - sophacles 6y ago
    Nice deflection - pure ad hominem with no supporting facts or counter argument. I wonder what you are trying to say.
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- ekianjo 6y ago
  > just a protest? That's called bending reality after half of year of burning and looting in major cities I guess?
- ryandvm 6y ago
  Treason is kind of a stretch. A real coup involves the military and people actually taking over the role of government. We were not even close to that. January 6th was incredibly embarrassing, but it wasn't even a proper attempt at overthrowing the government. The Capitol riots were basically just the kind of thing that happens when you have too many morons in the same place at the same time. Sort of a critical mass of idiocy.
  - dkarl 6y ago
    > it wasn't even a proper attempt at overthrowing the government It was a difference of competence, not intent, and even an incompetent attempt poses grave dangers. John Hinkley Jr. didn't make a "proper" attempt to assassinate Ronald Reagan, but he paralyzed James Brady and -- despite not firing a single shot on target, just as "embarrassing" as any of the Capitol rioters -- came very very close to killing the president.
- goatinaboat 6y ago
  treasonous Genuine question: what do you think about “autonomous zones”? Isn’t seceding from the state usually pretty serious? The US fought a civil war over it last time someone did that.
  - pseudalopex 6y ago
    Many states have autonomous regions.
bsiemon 6y ago
I believe Garland was asked about this specific issue in his hearing. He said that the distinction was that in Portland the 'riots' are not disrupting the normal function of government.
- DamnYuppie 6y ago
  What about the functioning of the populace and business? The purpose of government is to have a stable society, letting those things go seems to completely fly in the face of all of that.
- bluefirebrand 6y ago
  Translation: It doesn't affect the ruling class or the elite class so who cares?
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 6y ago
  Which is silly -- if they damage the building at night, and the people can't work there the next day, doesn't that 'disrupt the normal function of government'?
- JPKab 6y ago
  I like Merrick Garland, and thought it was tragic he's not on the Supreme Court. That being said, the riots in PDX (my brother lives there, and I was there in the summer when it was happening) were an example of a complete, willful capitulation of local government to radicals. The Capital Riot was an involuntary capitulation of the police to radicals. There is something very insidious about the former. It's reminiscent of the local government collaboration/capitulation to the KKK in 1960s Dixie. Also, what about the occupation of several blocks in Seattle all summer long? People in congress who said absolutely nothing about a months long, armed occupation that took place with no buy-in from residents have moaned and feigned fear for their lives over a single, day long occupation of their workplace. I completely lost respect for Congressperson Ocasio-Cortez over the appalling disconnect between her perception of danger, vs the actual danger she was in during the riot. It really had the hallmarks of narcissism when viewed with the perspective of utter silence and indifference to the armed occupation of an entire neighborhood of Seattle for weeks. President Obama's final interview before leaving office included a statement of his deep concern for the "balkanization of the media" landscape. He was right.
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adventured 6y ago
Not a single firearm was recovered from the Capitol riot. Only a few people are believed to have been carrying weapons, a few were charged. In CHAZ / Seattle their self-proclaimed warlord was handing out AK47s from the back of a car. They set up blockades with semi-automatic weapons and intentionally murdered two teenagers, shooting at their vehicle. But yeah, the great superpower almost got couped by the guy in the buffalo hat, walking around calmly like a moron. The Capitol Police intentionally, very plainly, let the rioters walk into the building (opening the doors and standing aside), and it's all on video, which you can find across Twitter. None of this is allowed to be discussed, all of it is being aggressively censored by the big technocrat autocracy. I heard the term Blue Anon the other day for the first time. So I go to Google to find out what it is. Google had censored the term and results. That was the first time I got the chill of feeling like I was living in firewall China. You'd think that term led to something illegal, but no, it was trivial, and they still couldn't stand it and had to try to control it. The theater game going on in DC right now with the national guard? I've got one word for you: staged. It's a sick joke. The cultural civil war is well underway. edit: and of course now this link is being censored from HN, naturally
- MattGaiser 6y ago
  > Not a single firearm was recovered from the Capitol riot. Only a few people are believed to have been carrying weapons, a few were charged. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/15/ron-johnson/yes-jan-6-capitol-assault-was-armed-insurrection/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/15/ron-johnso...
  - ekianjo 6y ago
    > Fourteen people tied to the Jan. 6 attack are facing federal charges related to bringing or using dangerous weapons inside the building and two are facing firearms-related charges, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia. So 14 people may have had weapons out of several hundred thousands, and that's enough for Politifact to pretend it's an armed insurrection? They do have a certain sense of hyperbole. So these 14 people were going to take the Capitol in hostage and hold power with what means exactly? It's not like the US military would be afraid of a few guys with guns...
7952 6y ago
The capitol riot was a single event tied to a specific circumstance. Whilst the Portland situation has been ongoing in different forms since last summer. The continuation of that does not prove a lack of police action. Merely that police action has not effected the motivation of some people.
briantakita 6y ago
The FEDS & other entities have infiltrated all major dissident "movements" on the political left & right, paying/lightening sentences of convicted criminals and/or manipulating gullible ideologues to do sensationalist acts. Que Bono? Many parties. News Outlets & Social Media get more clicks from the outrage, Agencies get bigger budgets, Shows are made, Startups can build products to "combat disinformation" & "fight censorship", Researchers receive grants to study the population, Politicians have a distracting cover story to pass legislation/EO's that would have caused alarm in calmer circumstances, etc. It's all theater or Professional Wrestling. Enjoy the show. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe
- mssundaram 6y ago
  I first learned about Kayfabe from here https://coronacircus.com/2020/06/02/welcome-to-kayfabe/ https://coronacircus.com/2020/06/02/welcome-to-kayfabe/
haltingproblem 6y ago
Simple. The people at the Capitol were not their rioters so they were armed hostage takers, a thrust for a coup, armed insurrectionists etc. The people at the Portland Federal Courthouse are their rioters who are brave dissenters expressing civil disobedience in the tradition of Gandhi and MLK. They are advancing the cause of marginalized communities who lack a voice. Portland is a tertiary city so no govt business of note happens at the federal courthouse hence no disruption of normal function. /s See how easy it is? Of course when the tables are turned the other side will do the same inversion and law and order will degenerate and so will our society.

by u678u 6y ago

r00fus 6y ago

Maybe because one is actually a treasonous riot and the other just a protest?

BrawnLongHaul 6y ago
The mental gymnastics to reach this conclusion (assuming you are not being scarcastic) are astounding!
- necrotic_comp 6y ago
  When did the rioters in Portland breach the building ?
  - NoOneNew 6y ago
    So... trying to set government buildings on fire with people inside is okay as long as you don't enter... got it.
- sophacles 6y ago
  Nice deflection - pure ad hominem with no supporting facts or counter argument. I wonder what you are trying to say.
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ekianjo 6y ago
> just a protest? That's called bending reality after half of year of burning and looting in major cities I guess?
ryandvm 6y ago
Treason is kind of a stretch. A real coup involves the military and people actually taking over the role of government. We were not even close to that. January 6th was incredibly embarrassing, but it wasn't even a proper attempt at overthrowing the government. The Capitol riots were basically just the kind of thing that happens when you have too many morons in the same place at the same time. Sort of a critical mass of idiocy.
- dkarl 6y ago
  > it wasn't even a proper attempt at overthrowing the government It was a difference of competence, not intent, and even an incompetent attempt poses grave dangers. John Hinkley Jr. didn't make a "proper" attempt to assassinate Ronald Reagan, but he paralyzed James Brady and -- despite not firing a single shot on target, just as "embarrassing" as any of the Capitol rioters -- came very very close to killing the president.
goatinaboat 6y ago
treasonous Genuine question: what do you think about “autonomous zones”? Isn’t seceding from the state usually pretty serious? The US fought a civil war over it last time someone did that.
- pseudalopex 6y ago
  Many states have autonomous regions.

bsiemon 6y ago

I believe Garland was asked about this specific issue in his hearing. He said that the distinction was that in Portland the 'riots' are not disrupting the normal function of government.

DamnYuppie 6y ago
What about the functioning of the populace and business? The purpose of government is to have a stable society, letting those things go seems to completely fly in the face of all of that.
bluefirebrand 6y ago
Translation: It doesn't affect the ruling class or the elite class so who cares?
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 6y ago
Which is silly -- if they damage the building at night, and the people can't work there the next day, doesn't that 'disrupt the normal function of government'?
JPKab 6y ago
I like Merrick Garland, and thought it was tragic he's not on the Supreme Court. That being said, the riots in PDX (my brother lives there, and I was there in the summer when it was happening) were an example of a complete, willful capitulation of local government to radicals. The Capital Riot was an involuntary capitulation of the police to radicals. There is something very insidious about the former. It's reminiscent of the local government collaboration/capitulation to the KKK in 1960s Dixie. Also, what about the occupation of several blocks in Seattle all summer long? People in congress who said absolutely nothing about a months long, armed occupation that took place with no buy-in from residents have moaned and feigned fear for their lives over a single, day long occupation of their workplace. I completely lost respect for Congressperson Ocasio-Cortez over the appalling disconnect between her perception of danger, vs the actual danger she was in during the riot. It really had the hallmarks of narcissism when viewed with the perspective of utter silence and indifference to the armed occupation of an entire neighborhood of Seattle for weeks. President Obama's final interview before leaving office included a statement of his deep concern for the "balkanization of the media" landscape. He was right.

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adventured 6y ago

Not a single firearm was recovered from the Capitol riot. Only a few people are believed to have been carrying weapons, a few were charged. In CHAZ / Seattle their self-proclaimed warlord was handing out AK47s from the back of a car. They set up blockades with semi-automatic weapons and intentionally murdered two teenagers, shooting at their vehicle. But yeah, the great superpower almost got couped by the guy in the buffalo hat, walking around calmly like a moron. The Capitol Police intentionally, very plainly, let the rioters walk into the building (opening the doors and standing aside), and it's all on video, which you can find across Twitter. None of this is allowed to be discussed, all of it is being aggressively censored by the big technocrat autocracy. I heard the term Blue Anon the other day for the first time. So I go to Google to find out what it is. Google had censored the term and results. That was the first time I got the chill of feeling like I was living in firewall China. You'd think that term led to something illegal, but no, it was trivial, and they still couldn't stand it and had to try to control it. The theater game going on in DC right now with the national guard? I've got one word for you: staged. It's a sick joke. The cultural civil war is well underway. edit: and of course now this link is being censored from HN, naturally

MattGaiser 6y ago
> Not a single firearm was recovered from the Capitol riot. Only a few people are believed to have been carrying weapons, a few were charged. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/15/ron-johnson/yes-jan-6-capitol-assault-was-armed-insurrection/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/15/ron-johnso...
- ekianjo 6y ago
  > Fourteen people tied to the Jan. 6 attack are facing federal charges related to bringing or using dangerous weapons inside the building and two are facing firearms-related charges, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia. So 14 people may have had weapons out of several hundred thousands, and that's enough for Politifact to pretend it's an armed insurrection? They do have a certain sense of hyperbole. So these 14 people were going to take the Capitol in hostage and hold power with what means exactly? It's not like the US military would be afraid of a few guys with guns...

7952 6y ago

The capitol riot was a single event tied to a specific circumstance. Whilst the Portland situation has been ongoing in different forms since last summer. The continuation of that does not prove a lack of police action. Merely that police action has not effected the motivation of some people.

briantakita 6y ago

The FEDS & other entities have infiltrated all major dissident "movements" on the political left & right, paying/lightening sentences of convicted criminals and/or manipulating gullible ideologues to do sensationalist acts. Que Bono? Many parties. News Outlets & Social Media get more clicks from the outrage, Agencies get bigger budgets, Shows are made, Startups can build products to "combat disinformation" & "fight censorship", Researchers receive grants to study the population, Politicians have a distracting cover story to pass legislation/EO's that would have caused alarm in calmer circumstances, etc. It's all theater or Professional Wrestling. Enjoy the show. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe

mssundaram 6y ago
I first learned about Kayfabe from here https://coronacircus.com/2020/06/02/welcome-to-kayfabe/ https://coronacircus.com/2020/06/02/welcome-to-kayfabe/

haltingproblem 6y ago

Simple. The people at the Capitol were not their rioters so they were armed hostage takers, a thrust for a coup, armed insurrectionists etc. The people at the Portland Federal Courthouse are their rioters who are brave dissenters expressing civil disobedience in the tradition of Gandhi and MLK. They are advancing the cause of marginalized communities who lack a voice. Portland is a tertiary city so no govt business of note happens at the federal courthouse hence no disruption of normal function. /s See how easy it is? Of course when the tables are turned the other side will do the same inversion and law and order will degenerate and so will our society.