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Did anyone else read this as "Adobe Photoshop comes preloaded on Macs with Apple Silicon?" If I recall correctly, this was the case 15 (?) years back, I thought

Did anyone else read this as "Adobe Photoshop comes preloaded on Macs with Apple Silicon?" If I recall correctly, this was the case 15 (?) years back, I thought perhaps as a marketing gimmick, they were trying it again. Seems it would be a benefit to both of them - Apple can sell more hardware and Adobe can try to drive more people to purchase subscriptions with their app preloaded.

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sergeykish 6y ago
I've red as "Adobe Photoshop ships on Mars with Apple Silicon"
- FriendlyNormie 6y ago
  I read your comment as “I’m a redditor and I need to delete my HN account”
- gumby 6y ago
  Finally! We live in a networked world now. These regional publishing restrictions have to go!
- ant6n 6y ago
  Albedo Photodrop-ships on Mars with Apple-Silicon.
- marshmallow_12 6y ago
  i did read that the mars rover uses Apple processors. It's good to know that it can also send funny pictures back to Earth, now.
gumby 6y ago
Yes, it should read “for Macs with”
1f60c 6y ago
You’re not alone. “Adobe has finished porting most of Photoshop to Apple M1” would have been unambiguous.
- codq 6y ago
  'porting' is a relatively insider term. "Adobe Photoshop arrives on Macs with Apple Silicon" might be how I'd phrase it.
  - derefr 6y ago
    “Adobe has released a new version of Creative Suite optimized for Apple’s M1.” You don’t even really need to invoke the concept of architectures to understand “it was slower on the M1 before; now it’s faster, because Adobe did work to focus on support for it.”
- 333c 6y ago
  Or even "ships for" rather than "ships on"
johnklos 6y ago
Yes. "ships for" would obviously be more correct than "ships on".
marshmallow_12 6y ago
i hate these preloaded bloatwares that come on your computers. they don't even work and only exist to remind you to give them money, in order to unlock features you didn't know you needed.
- 14 6y ago
  This was my thought as well since I thought photoshop went way of the subscription. Effectively bloatware some customers will have to mess around to delete. But that is where my complaining ends as someone who runs windows 10 sigh
grishka 6y ago
> If I recall correctly, this was the case 15 (?) years back I recently installed Mac OS 9 on an emulator just to see what it was like. First thing I noticed was that there was a lot of third-party software that came with it both preinstalled and as extra on the installation CD. Heck, even iTunes used an installer made by a third party! That felt very un-Apple to me.
- thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago
  iTunes came from an acquisition of SoundJam. Apple didn’t have much first party apps at the time, so it was important to include software to make the computer usable out of the box.
- Terretta 6y ago
  > even iTunes used an installer made by a third party! That felt very un-Apple to me. Yes, everything installed differently, updated differently, and maintaining currency across a large application set was unreasonable without third party subscriptions like “Mac Update”! It was crazy. And yet, it seems majority of HN wants to rewind from the App Store which was created as to assist users and devs with that problem.
  - pcr910303 6y ago
    > And yet, it seems majority of HN wants to rewind from the App Store which was created as to assist users and devs with that problem. Well, to be fair the App Store isn’t really a viable solution to these problems to a fair bit of applications. The sandbox requirement makes a large portion of ‘useful’ apps unable in the App Store. Looks like most non-App Store apps use Sparkle[0] these days though, so it’s much better than before. [0]: https://sparkle-project.org https://sparkle-project.org
    - Terretta 6y ago
      It seemed at the time that Sparkle was part of what made Apple realize this was a legit pain point. Sherlock, Sparkle, Growl, if you demonstrate a gap in what should be built in, Apple will admit it and fill it in.
ekzy 6y ago
My first read was really confusing. I kind of blanked out that photoshop was from Adobe and read that “Adobe photoshopped ships on macs” as in ships photoshopped on images of Macs for some marketing reason.
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galago 6y ago
There was a time when Apple was shipping dual-processor G4s, but Mac OS 9, in general, could only use one processor. There was a system extension that allowed Photoshop to use both. A co-worker of mine had one, and it was very much a system used for running Photoshop. At that time OS X was considered too slow for professional work. So bundling made a lot of sense.
leoc 6y ago
> If I recall correctly, this was the case 15 (?) years back I don't know for sure that it never happened, but I don't think it ever did, partly because Apple and Adobe were not particularly friendly around that time: https://arstechnica.com/staff/2008/04/rhapsody-and-blues/ https://arstechnica.com/staff/2008/04/rhapsody-and-blues/ .
- robbyking 6y ago
  Completely off topic, but I love stumbling upon old articles by John Siracusa.
- cratermoon 6y ago
  > Apple and Adobe were not particularly friendly Which is hilarious, because you could make a good case that neither would still exist today without the other. I'd qualify that by saying Adobe products work find on Microsoft operating systems now, but without the Mac years I'm not sure the Windows port would have ever caught on.
antihero 6y ago
> Seems it would be a benefit to both of them Except the brand damage from ruining the "pure" experience that doesn't come preloaded with a bunch of 3rd party apps...
- geon 6y ago
  Especially if it would still require a subscription. I hate that kind of bloatware oems insists to fill up windows installs with.
- scintill76 6y ago
  Maybe a free license included with the OS/hardware combo then; installing is user-initiated.
- smoldesu 6y ago
  It already comes with Apple TV preloaded, whether you like it or not. Apple isn't adverse to frontloading you with subscription models, as long as it's a Premium™ experience.
  - filoleg 6y ago
    >It already comes with Apple TV preloaded The parent comment said "a bunch of 3rd party apps", and Apple TV is clearly not a third party app.
  - zepto 6y ago
    The TV app doesn’t require a subscription to any particular service.
    - zapzupnz 6y ago
      Indeed. Just in case people weren't aware, the TV app is where you can purchase movies and TV shows from iTunes, or watch your own video content if you get it into the library.
  - dpkonofa 6y ago
    How is the Apple TV app related to the comment? There's no subscription needed to use the app and it isn't tied to one service.
e-clinton 6y ago
That’s exactly how I read it. My minds was blown for a sec.
Solocomplex 6y ago
It would imply the built in photo editor isn't good enough for most users.
nodesocket 6y ago
I was like, oh sweet I can cancel my insanely expensive Adobe creative cloud monthly subscription when I buy the new 16” M1. Nope, to good to be true.
tsieling 6y ago
That's exactly how I read it and my immediate reaction was 'hard no'. Glad it was a misread because bad things lie down that path.
racl101 6y ago
Yeah, I read the same thing too.

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sergeykish 6y ago

I've red as "Adobe Photoshop ships on Mars with Apple Silicon"

FriendlyNormie 6y ago
I read your comment as “I’m a redditor and I need to delete my HN account”
gumby 6y ago
Finally! We live in a networked world now. These regional publishing restrictions have to go!
ant6n 6y ago
Albedo Photodrop-ships on Mars with Apple-Silicon.
marshmallow_12 6y ago
i did read that the mars rover uses Apple processors. It's good to know that it can also send funny pictures back to Earth, now.

gumby 6y ago

Yes, it should read “for Macs with”

1f60c 6y ago

You’re not alone. “Adobe has finished porting most of Photoshop to Apple M1” would have been unambiguous.

codq 6y ago
'porting' is a relatively insider term. "Adobe Photoshop arrives on Macs with Apple Silicon" might be how I'd phrase it.
- derefr 6y ago
  “Adobe has released a new version of Creative Suite optimized for Apple’s M1.” You don’t even really need to invoke the concept of architectures to understand “it was slower on the M1 before; now it’s faster, because Adobe did work to focus on support for it.”
333c 6y ago
Or even "ships for" rather than "ships on"

johnklos 6y ago

Yes. "ships for" would obviously be more correct than "ships on".

marshmallow_12 6y ago

i hate these preloaded bloatwares that come on your computers. they don't even work and only exist to remind you to give them money, in order to unlock features you didn't know you needed.

14 6y ago
This was my thought as well since I thought photoshop went way of the subscription. Effectively bloatware some customers will have to mess around to delete. But that is where my complaining ends as someone who runs windows 10 sigh

grishka 6y ago

> If I recall correctly, this was the case 15 (?) years back I recently installed Mac OS 9 on an emulator just to see what it was like. First thing I noticed was that there was a lot of third-party software that came with it both preinstalled and as extra on the installation CD. Heck, even iTunes used an installer made by a third party! That felt very un-Apple to me.

thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago
iTunes came from an acquisition of SoundJam. Apple didn’t have much first party apps at the time, so it was important to include software to make the computer usable out of the box.
Terretta 6y ago
> even iTunes used an installer made by a third party! That felt very un-Apple to me. Yes, everything installed differently, updated differently, and maintaining currency across a large application set was unreasonable without third party subscriptions like “Mac Update”! It was crazy. And yet, it seems majority of HN wants to rewind from the App Store which was created as to assist users and devs with that problem.
- pcr910303 6y ago
  > And yet, it seems majority of HN wants to rewind from the App Store which was created as to assist users and devs with that problem. Well, to be fair the App Store isn’t really a viable solution to these problems to a fair bit of applications. The sandbox requirement makes a large portion of ‘useful’ apps unable in the App Store. Looks like most non-App Store apps use Sparkle[0] these days though, so it’s much better than before. [0]: https://sparkle-project.org https://sparkle-project.org
  - Terretta 6y ago
    It seemed at the time that Sparkle was part of what made Apple realize this was a legit pain point. Sherlock, Sparkle, Growl, if you demonstrate a gap in what should be built in, Apple will admit it and fill it in.

ekzy 6y ago

My first read was really confusing. I kind of blanked out that photoshop was from Adobe and read that “Adobe photoshopped ships on macs” as in ships photoshopped on images of Macs for some marketing reason.

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galago 6y ago

There was a time when Apple was shipping dual-processor G4s, but Mac OS 9, in general, could only use one processor. There was a system extension that allowed Photoshop to use both. A co-worker of mine had one, and it was very much a system used for running Photoshop. At that time OS X was considered too slow for professional work. So bundling made a lot of sense.

leoc 6y ago

> If I recall correctly, this was the case 15 (?) years back I don't know for sure that it never happened, but I don't think it ever did, partly because Apple and Adobe were not particularly friendly around that time: https://arstechnica.com/staff/2008/04/rhapsody-and-blues/ https://arstechnica.com/staff/2008/04/rhapsody-and-blues/ .

robbyking 6y ago
Completely off topic, but I love stumbling upon old articles by John Siracusa.
cratermoon 6y ago
> Apple and Adobe were not particularly friendly Which is hilarious, because you could make a good case that neither would still exist today without the other. I'd qualify that by saying Adobe products work find on Microsoft operating systems now, but without the Mac years I'm not sure the Windows port would have ever caught on.

antihero 6y ago

> Seems it would be a benefit to both of them Except the brand damage from ruining the "pure" experience that doesn't come preloaded with a bunch of 3rd party apps...

geon 6y ago
Especially if it would still require a subscription. I hate that kind of bloatware oems insists to fill up windows installs with.
scintill76 6y ago
Maybe a free license included with the OS/hardware combo then; installing is user-initiated.
smoldesu 6y ago
It already comes with Apple TV preloaded, whether you like it or not. Apple isn't adverse to frontloading you with subscription models, as long as it's a Premium™ experience.
- filoleg 6y ago
  >It already comes with Apple TV preloaded The parent comment said "a bunch of 3rd party apps", and Apple TV is clearly not a third party app.
- zepto 6y ago
  The TV app doesn’t require a subscription to any particular service.
  - zapzupnz 6y ago
    Indeed. Just in case people weren't aware, the TV app is where you can purchase movies and TV shows from iTunes, or watch your own video content if you get it into the library.
- dpkonofa 6y ago
  How is the Apple TV app related to the comment? There's no subscription needed to use the app and it isn't tied to one service.

e-clinton 6y ago

That’s exactly how I read it. My minds was blown for a sec.

Solocomplex 6y ago

It would imply the built in photo editor isn't good enough for most users.

nodesocket 6y ago

I was like, oh sweet I can cancel my insanely expensive Adobe creative cloud monthly subscription when I buy the new 16” M1. Nope, to good to be true.

tsieling 6y ago

That's exactly how I read it and my immediate reaction was 'hard no'. Glad it was a misread because bad things lie down that path.

racl101 6y ago

Yeah, I read the same thing too.