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Using quotes to paraphrase your own interpretation of what OP posted (and then ignoring the last sentence which had more meat) is exactly the kind of low value

Using quotes to paraphrase your own interpretation of what OP posted (and then ignoring the last sentence which had more meat) is exactly the kind of low value comment you're talking about.

thu2111 6y ago
No, his post is on-point and worthy of discussion, or meta-discussion if you like. HN comments on anything EU or Brexit related during the morning/early afternoon CET, i.e. before America wakes up, show the ugly truth underlying EU ideology. The comments are filled with spite, anger, hatred and anti-British, anti-capitalist sentiment. This reflects the type of discourse that has been routine in the media and politics of EU member states over the past five years. I do believe that one of the major reasons the UK voted to leave was the realisation that other European countries were not in fact friendly allies as the Remain campaign tried to portray, but rather arrogant and complacent takers that saw the UK as a resource to be exploited and abused. Whilst in public EU leadership tried to stay on message, way too often the mask slipped and the truth was revealed. Examples: French ex-President Francois Hollande on Brexit: "There must be a threat, there must be a risk, there must be a price [for leaving]" EU negotiators when they thought the UK would accept the previous withdrawal agreement: "We got rid of them [the British]. We kicked them out. We finally turned them into a colony, and that was our plan from the first moment" Guy Verhofstadt: "The world order of tomorrow is not a world order based on nation states or countries. It’s a world order that is based on empires" An anonymous German ambassador: "There is no shortage of acrimony. I don’t think there will be any circumstances under which there will be anything other than a Brexit cold war." And their demands during the negotiations were of similar spirit. Sadly these attitudes are not merely confined to the hallways of EU institutions - it is worse, it appears to be endemic amongst the population. It is a totalitarian attitude: bend the knee to the mighty group. Give in completely, or we will crush you into submission. Americans may find it shocking but it's no surprise to those of us who have lived through it directly. The good news is that now the UK is out and the Rejoin campaign has died in its crib due to the EU's vaccine disaster, EU ideology will gradually fade away there with time, as it did in other countries that opted not to join at all.
- monkey_monkey 6y ago
  Game of Thrones has really seeped into the consciousness of a certain type of person. This obsession with knee bending...
- orwin 6y ago
  I think you're reading way to much into this. Most people don't care. I have a friend from my school that went to work in the UK around 2015, even he doesn't care (he is making a lot of money though thanks to brexit so he only care that the online services equivalence negotiations stay unclear or at least not done after June). We might have cared in 2018, its 2021 now. We are ready, we do have border checks, we do have 3rd party ruling applying to UK resident, a trade agreement. Also the quotes are from "Blind's man brexit", and if anybody is interested, this is probably the best geopolitical book i've read so far, and it is not at all limited to the four quotes. The quote about the colony is in the opening, and what's funny is that less than 5 pages later, Barnier complains about the English cherry picking. Is this something that's taught in "public" schools in England?
- gadders 6y ago
  >>I do believe that one of the major reasons the UK voted to leave was the realisation that other European countries were not in fact friendly allies as the Remain campaign tried to portray, but rather arrogant and complacent takers that saw the UK as a resource to be exploited and abused. This is certainly the case in the way the EU tried to treat the UK after their own COVID vaccination programme descended into farce.

Using quotes to paraphrase your own interpretation of what OP posted (and then ignoring the last sentence which had more meat) is exactly the kind of low value comment you're talking about.

thu2111 6y ago

No, his post is on-point and worthy of discussion, or meta-discussion if you like. HN comments on anything EU or Brexit related during the morning/early afternoon CET, i.e. before America wakes up, show the ugly truth underlying EU ideology. The comments are filled with spite, anger, hatred and anti-British, anti-capitalist sentiment. This reflects the type of discourse that has been routine in the media and politics of EU member states over the past five years. I do believe that one of the major reasons the UK voted to leave was the realisation that other European countries were not in fact friendly allies as the Remain campaign tried to portray, but rather arrogant and complacent takers that saw the UK as a resource to be exploited and abused. Whilst in public EU leadership tried to stay on message, way too often the mask slipped and the truth was revealed. Examples: French ex-President Francois Hollande on Brexit: "There must be a threat, there must be a risk, there must be a price [for leaving]" EU negotiators when they thought the UK would accept the previous withdrawal agreement: "We got rid of them [the British]. We kicked them out. We finally turned them into a colony, and that was our plan from the first moment" Guy Verhofstadt: "The world order of tomorrow is not a world order based on nation states or countries. It’s a world order that is based on empires" An anonymous German ambassador: "There is no shortage of acrimony. I don’t think there will be any circumstances under which there will be anything other than a Brexit cold war." And their demands during the negotiations were of similar spirit. Sadly these attitudes are not merely confined to the hallways of EU institutions - it is worse, it appears to be endemic amongst the population. It is a totalitarian attitude: bend the knee to the mighty group. Give in completely, or we will crush you into submission. Americans may find it shocking but it's no surprise to those of us who have lived through it directly. The good news is that now the UK is out and the Rejoin campaign has died in its crib due to the EU's vaccine disaster, EU ideology will gradually fade away there with time, as it did in other countries that opted not to join at all.

monkey_monkey 6y ago
Game of Thrones has really seeped into the consciousness of a certain type of person. This obsession with knee bending...
orwin 6y ago
I think you're reading way to much into this. Most people don't care. I have a friend from my school that went to work in the UK around 2015, even he doesn't care (he is making a lot of money though thanks to brexit so he only care that the online services equivalence negotiations stay unclear or at least not done after June). We might have cared in 2018, its 2021 now. We are ready, we do have border checks, we do have 3rd party ruling applying to UK resident, a trade agreement. Also the quotes are from "Blind's man brexit", and if anybody is interested, this is probably the best geopolitical book i've read so far, and it is not at all limited to the four quotes. The quote about the colony is in the opening, and what's funny is that less than 5 pages later, Barnier complains about the English cherry picking. Is this something that's taught in "public" schools in England?
gadders 6y ago
>>I do believe that one of the major reasons the UK voted to leave was the realisation that other European countries were not in fact friendly allies as the Remain campaign tried to portray, but rather arrogant and complacent takers that saw the UK as a resource to be exploited and abused. This is certainly the case in the way the EU tried to treat the UK after their own COVID vaccination programme descended into farce.