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Doesn't mean it's wrong... The racists on the right know they're racists. They admit it. The racists I've encountered on the left are the racism-of-low-expectat

Doesn't mean it's wrong... The racists on the right know they're racists. They admit it. The racists I've encountered on the left are the racism-of-low-expectations kind with a dash of openly-racist-against-white-people, and then they go and act morally superior to people who aren't racist against any race. The sanctimony is grating.

kristopolous 6y ago
Really? Where? Usually I've seen forms like this "I strongly believe in (basic description of X)" "You know that's X, right?!" "I'm not X" "Alright, would you say you believe in (wikipedias first paragraph on X)?" "Oh yes! You really understand!" "You know I just lifted that from wikipedia article on X" "Let me hear it again. Ok, that's not exactly right." Etc... Try it yourself next time, it's pretty remarkable. They're not acting in bad faith or trying to deceive. It's like an addict who believes they smoke cigarettes not because they have an addiction but because they enjoy the taste. Most people want to believe they've made the right decisions (https://grist.org/article/80-percent-of-humans-are-delusionally-optimistic-says-science/ https://grist.org/article/80-percent-of-humans-are-delusiona...). They think racism is wrong so therefore their beliefs can't be racist.
- tired-dev 6y ago
  Exactly. Racists will generally justify themselves as "not racist" by giving claiming something to the tune of "I'm not prejudiced, I just agree with the numbers!", while appealing to some out-of-context statistic to try and act like those disagreeing with them are "denying science" by acknowledging that there's more nuance to the issue.
hef19898 6y ago
Don't they deny being racist, sexist or whatever more often than not when called out? It sure seems so.
- NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
  I'm not even sure if you're talking about the racist left or the racist right and that is mildly amusing. I don't know a lot (any?) racist right folks, but I know a shitload of racist left and they ALL publicly, verbally, in writing, rail against racism in one breath, and then shit on white people in the next. I acknowledge that this is anecdotal, but still...
  - hef19898 6y ago
    There is no racism against white people in the, what, northern hemisphere. And never was. In that part of the world, racism comes from the white population and is aimed at others. Calling white racists out definitely isn't racism.
    - Huwyt_Nashi030 6y ago
      Thankyou for your service, accelerationist.
    - arthurcolle 6y ago
      Racism is literally defined as discrimination against any singular group based on race or ethnic group. Discrimination, irrespective of its origin on the left or right wing of the spectrum, should be treated identically. Implicit and explicit racial discrimination is omnipresent on both sides of the spectrum. This is evidenced by literally pulling up any of the popular social justice warrior channels on YouTube; you then immediately come in contact with it. It is farcical for anyone to push through a narrative that doesn't acknowledge this fact. "White male" has become a demeaning putdown by many enthusiastic liberals, which is evidence enough. Enough.
      - hef19898 6y ago
        "White male"? So we are now rolling in sexism and racism to defend the, historically, most powerful group of people on the planet and their hurt feelings about having to give some of their privileges, whether or not they really have? Ok, I guess. Also, please note I said in the northern hemisphere. Assuming most of us here are living there. Could be different in, say, Africa or Asia. But even there it is not even close to the "white farmer genocide" shit that is still being spread.
Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
> The racists on the right know they're racists. They admit it. Not necessarily. Even Richard Spencer, proud Hitler-saluting Neo-Nazi, essentially the founder of the "alt-right", denies being racist. People know that racism is bad, but a lot of racists will deny being racist while very explicitly saying they don't want to live next to a black person or will call the police just because they saw a black man walking through the neighborhood.
- kodah 6y ago
  That's not really true. He's definitely claimed to be some flavor of racist on that documentary on Netflix.
  - Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
    I don't remember where I saw it, and I'm struggling to find it now, but there was some interview where he explicitly claims to not be racist and claims to not hate black people, and even claims to not be a white supremacist, but that he merely believes that the races shouldn't mix and that America should be a white ethno-state. He knows that racism is not socially acceptable, so he makes bad faith claims of not being racist while expressing obviously racist views. And the problem is, it works. It doesn't take much searching to find racists that don't think they're racist. The fact that people don't think Donald Trump is racist, despite a long list of racist remarks and actions [0], is proof of that. And of course, later, Milo Yiannopoulos later released an audio recording of an explicitly racist rant. [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump [1] https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/4/20947833/richard-spencer-white-nationalism-audio-milo-alt-right https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/4/20947833/richard-sp...
- bena 6y ago
  I've heard it said that the two things the alt-right hates the most: 1. Being called a racist. 2. Black people.
drewcoo 6y ago
The statement is not untrue but it is selectively used here to imply that it only applies to one party. And that is wrong.
f154hfds 6y ago
Disclaimer: I don't watch this channel, can't vouch for other vids. The youtube algorithm suggested this to me the other day, posting it here because it's pretty relevant. When Wokes and Racists actually agree on everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg
- bena 6y ago
  Maybe you should sample some of the other content to get a feel of who this guy is before promoting his work based solely on the fact that you agree with an opinion you have. Because if someone has mostly bad opinions, you have to wonder if he managed to have just one good one or if this is a bad opinion too.
  - f154hfds 6y ago
    My assumption when I write comments on HN is that readers can make opinions for themselves. Perhaps that's a bad assumption? I don't have to agree with an article to post it on HN, why should I have to agree with everything a youtube channel produces to post one of their videos? I doubt I would be able to post almost anything as I have opinions about a variety of subjects, it's very unlikely I will align with anyone on all of them. How about you watch the video and let me know what's objectionable about it specifically?
    - bena 6y ago
      What's objectionable? After 5 seconds, it does the exact thing which I expected it to after only looking at the titles of his other videos. Grossly misrepresenting positions to make them look similar enough to "both sides" the issue so he can present himself as an "enlightened centrist" but really is looking to quiet people who would call him out on his problematic opinions. It's a lot like your "assumption". You're trying to present your position as a "gee golly jeez, I'm just asking questions" being sort of overly, even comically naive about content you wish others to consume. You're also asking people to be able to refute the entire video or not voice their objections. To ignore the context of the channel. Blah blah blah. The entire "foot in the door" approach to radicalization. I personally don't believe your claim that you don't watch the channel. Otherwise, why even post a disclaimer? The only reason to post a disclaimer is because you kind of know what to expect from his channel. Either because the video itself is telling (it is) or you know what the rest of the content of the video would show (not great). So please, stop with the disingenuous positions. A good number of people here are savvy enough to see through it.

kristopolous 6y ago

Really? Where? Usually I've seen forms like this "I strongly believe in (basic description of X)" "You know that's X, right?!" "I'm not X" "Alright, would you say you believe in (wikipedias first paragraph on X)?" "Oh yes! You really understand!" "You know I just lifted that from wikipedia article on X" "Let me hear it again. Ok, that's not exactly right." Etc... Try it yourself next time, it's pretty remarkable. They're not acting in bad faith or trying to deceive. It's like an addict who believes they smoke cigarettes not because they have an addiction but because they enjoy the taste. Most people want to believe they've made the right decisions (https://grist.org/article/80-percent-of-humans-are-delusionally-optimistic-says-science/ https://grist.org/article/80-percent-of-humans-are-delusiona...). They think racism is wrong so therefore their beliefs can't be racist.

tired-dev 6y ago
Exactly. Racists will generally justify themselves as "not racist" by giving claiming something to the tune of "I'm not prejudiced, I just agree with the numbers!", while appealing to some out-of-context statistic to try and act like those disagreeing with them are "denying science" by acknowledging that there's more nuance to the issue.

hef19898 6y ago

Don't they deny being racist, sexist or whatever more often than not when called out? It sure seems so.

NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
I'm not even sure if you're talking about the racist left or the racist right and that is mildly amusing. I don't know a lot (any?) racist right folks, but I know a shitload of racist left and they ALL publicly, verbally, in writing, rail against racism in one breath, and then shit on white people in the next. I acknowledge that this is anecdotal, but still...
- hef19898 6y ago
  There is no racism against white people in the, what, northern hemisphere. And never was. In that part of the world, racism comes from the white population and is aimed at others. Calling white racists out definitely isn't racism.
  - Huwyt_Nashi030 6y ago
    Thankyou for your service, accelerationist.
  - arthurcolle 6y ago
    Racism is literally defined as discrimination against any singular group based on race or ethnic group. Discrimination, irrespective of its origin on the left or right wing of the spectrum, should be treated identically. Implicit and explicit racial discrimination is omnipresent on both sides of the spectrum. This is evidenced by literally pulling up any of the popular social justice warrior channels on YouTube; you then immediately come in contact with it. It is farcical for anyone to push through a narrative that doesn't acknowledge this fact. "White male" has become a demeaning putdown by many enthusiastic liberals, which is evidence enough. Enough.
    - hef19898 6y ago
      "White male"? So we are now rolling in sexism and racism to defend the, historically, most powerful group of people on the planet and their hurt feelings about having to give some of their privileges, whether or not they really have? Ok, I guess. Also, please note I said in the northern hemisphere. Assuming most of us here are living there. Could be different in, say, Africa or Asia. But even there it is not even close to the "white farmer genocide" shit that is still being spread.

Sohcahtoa82 6y ago

> The racists on the right know they're racists. They admit it. Not necessarily. Even Richard Spencer, proud Hitler-saluting Neo-Nazi, essentially the founder of the "alt-right", denies being racist. People know that racism is bad, but a lot of racists will deny being racist while very explicitly saying they don't want to live next to a black person or will call the police just because they saw a black man walking through the neighborhood.

kodah 6y ago
That's not really true. He's definitely claimed to be some flavor of racist on that documentary on Netflix.
- Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
  I don't remember where I saw it, and I'm struggling to find it now, but there was some interview where he explicitly claims to not be racist and claims to not hate black people, and even claims to not be a white supremacist, but that he merely believes that the races shouldn't mix and that America should be a white ethno-state. He knows that racism is not socially acceptable, so he makes bad faith claims of not being racist while expressing obviously racist views. And the problem is, it works. It doesn't take much searching to find racists that don't think they're racist. The fact that people don't think Donald Trump is racist, despite a long list of racist remarks and actions [0], is proof of that. And of course, later, Milo Yiannopoulos later released an audio recording of an explicitly racist rant. [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump [1] https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/4/20947833/richard-spencer-white-nationalism-audio-milo-alt-right https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/4/20947833/richard-sp...
bena 6y ago
I've heard it said that the two things the alt-right hates the most: 1. Being called a racist. 2. Black people.

drewcoo 6y ago

The statement is not untrue but it is selectively used here to imply that it only applies to one party. And that is wrong.

f154hfds 6y ago

Disclaimer: I don't watch this channel, can't vouch for other vids. The youtube algorithm suggested this to me the other day, posting it here because it's pretty relevant. When Wokes and Racists actually agree on everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg

bena 6y ago
Maybe you should sample some of the other content to get a feel of who this guy is before promoting his work based solely on the fact that you agree with an opinion you have. Because if someone has mostly bad opinions, you have to wonder if he managed to have just one good one or if this is a bad opinion too.
- f154hfds 6y ago
  My assumption when I write comments on HN is that readers can make opinions for themselves. Perhaps that's a bad assumption? I don't have to agree with an article to post it on HN, why should I have to agree with everything a youtube channel produces to post one of their videos? I doubt I would be able to post almost anything as I have opinions about a variety of subjects, it's very unlikely I will align with anyone on all of them. How about you watch the video and let me know what's objectionable about it specifically?
  - bena 6y ago
    What's objectionable? After 5 seconds, it does the exact thing which I expected it to after only looking at the titles of his other videos. Grossly misrepresenting positions to make them look similar enough to "both sides" the issue so he can present himself as an "enlightened centrist" but really is looking to quiet people who would call him out on his problematic opinions. It's a lot like your "assumption". You're trying to present your position as a "gee golly jeez, I'm just asking questions" being sort of overly, even comically naive about content you wish others to consume. You're also asking people to be able to refute the entire video or not voice their objections. To ignore the context of the channel. Blah blah blah. The entire "foot in the door" approach to radicalization. I personally don't believe your claim that you don't watch the channel. Otherwise, why even post a disclaimer? The only reason to post a disclaimer is because you kind of know what to expect from his channel. Either because the video itself is telling (it is) or you know what the rest of the content of the video would show (not great). So please, stop with the disingenuous positions. A good number of people here are savvy enough to see through it.