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How would they know who you are, if you're paying cash or not using the same card?

ceejayoz 6y ago
If you're doing a return on a cash transaction, a lot of stores will ask for ID. https://www.theretailequation.com/frequently-asked-questions/ https://www.theretailequation.com/frequently-asked-questions... > How does the system work? > When a consumer wants to make a return, a retailer will scan the original sales transaction receipt and/or collect consumer identification (in certain regions that may be the individual’s driver’s license or government-issued ID card) to make an identification of the person and his/her unique return behavior.
jackson1442 6y ago
Most ask for photo ID when you do a return.
- EGreg 6y ago
  This is why it's good for hackers to bootstrap other identities over the years. You never know when they come in handy. (Note: I have not done this. Or have I? Well, no I haven't, but if I had you wouldn't know about it.) It's one of the most interesting "careful" projects you can do. Something like "Satoshi Nakamoto" can release software to change the world, but you can compare their style of writing to the short list of crypto researchers whose identities are known. Similarly with JK Rowling's book released under a pseudonym. It's very hard not to slip up and have your identities connected. However, in a world where everyone is supposed to have just one identity, and present this ID to communicate or transact on a given network, and where all databases are interconnected, the only way to preserve anonymity would be to hijack someone else's identity temporarily (such as making a call from a person's phone, or having a homeless person go buy a prepaid phone for you). Sometimes people swap identities voluntarily ... such as with bitcoin mixers or when you swap DNA samples before sending them back to 23andme and other test centers (who btw keep your DNA for the government and all kinds of things). But the risk is that you can be held responsible for something someone else did, with laundered bitcoins (civil forfeiture) or some physical crime (DNA analysis might indicate it's you). I wrote this 8 years ago: https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=114&cpage=553?p=114&cpage=553 https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=114&cpage=553?p=114&cpage=553
  - hnbroseph 6y ago
    i suppose it depends on the details, but if you're asked for state-issued identification when processing a return, and you present a falsified document that purports to be state-issued, that's a almost certainly a crime. (even the creation of such a falsified document is likely a crime.)
    - PeterisP 6y ago
      I presume that the parent post refers not to forged documents but to obtaining legitimate identification under a different name/alias - which is generally allowed in common law countries, where you can choose and use any name you wish, as long as you are not trying to defraud someone (e.g. here's a case example from Massachusets http://masscases.com/cases/sjc/320/320mass448.html http://masscases.com/cases/sjc/320/320mass448.html "If acting for an honest purpose, one may lawfully use a name other than his legal name without procuring a change of name"). The question there is whether avoiding a ban on returns would count as a honest purpose; arguably it would not. A standard example for inappropriate name change is changing the name to avoid seekers of debt repayment using the previous name, this seems similar in intent.
      - chii 6y ago
        avoiding a ban on returns should certainly be considered fraudulant - you're banned by the store's policy, which you would have agreed to when purchasing.
  - throwAway_0x0x 6y ago
    Very interesting, I have three citizenships, I acquired the third after I changed my name in the second citizenship and on the basis of my second citizenship. The changed name in the third citizenship is not declared as it is my legitimate name and as far as I am aware I am under no obligation to (they didnt ask during application). In short I have, a full set of legitimate government documents in another name (with no direct link to my original citizenship). I may or may not have also obsfucated my biometric data in one (or more) of the passport / official photos, this necessitates that I cannot pass through automated passport control, but I get waived through as it is obviously me. I have kept my tax affairs and banking relationships under my first citizenship, and essentially view my third citizenship as entirely remote to the first. I may renounce my citizenship of the second country soon. The reason for all of this? I like hacking and exploring systems and I also think the notion of state sovereignty is outdated. AMA.

If you're doing a return on a cash transaction, a lot of stores will ask for ID. https://www.theretailequation.com/frequently-asked-questions/ https://www.theretailequation.com/frequently-asked-questions... > How does the system work? > When a consumer wants to make a return, a retailer will scan the original sales transaction receipt and/or collect consumer identification (in certain regions that may be the individual’s driver’s license or government-issued ID card) to make an identification of the person and his/her unique return behavior.

jackson1442 6y ago

Most ask for photo ID when you do a return.

EGreg 6y ago
This is why it's good for hackers to bootstrap other identities over the years. You never know when they come in handy. (Note: I have not done this. Or have I? Well, no I haven't, but if I had you wouldn't know about it.) It's one of the most interesting "careful" projects you can do. Something like "Satoshi Nakamoto" can release software to change the world, but you can compare their style of writing to the short list of crypto researchers whose identities are known. Similarly with JK Rowling's book released under a pseudonym. It's very hard not to slip up and have your identities connected. However, in a world where everyone is supposed to have just one identity, and present this ID to communicate or transact on a given network, and where all databases are interconnected, the only way to preserve anonymity would be to hijack someone else's identity temporarily (such as making a call from a person's phone, or having a homeless person go buy a prepaid phone for you). Sometimes people swap identities voluntarily ... such as with bitcoin mixers or when you swap DNA samples before sending them back to 23andme and other test centers (who btw keep your DNA for the government and all kinds of things). But the risk is that you can be held responsible for something someone else did, with laundered bitcoins (civil forfeiture) or some physical crime (DNA analysis might indicate it's you). I wrote this 8 years ago: https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=114&cpage=553?p=114&cpage=553 https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=114&cpage=553?p=114&cpage=553
- hnbroseph 6y ago
  i suppose it depends on the details, but if you're asked for state-issued identification when processing a return, and you present a falsified document that purports to be state-issued, that's a almost certainly a crime. (even the creation of such a falsified document is likely a crime.)
  - PeterisP 6y ago
    I presume that the parent post refers not to forged documents but to obtaining legitimate identification under a different name/alias - which is generally allowed in common law countries, where you can choose and use any name you wish, as long as you are not trying to defraud someone (e.g. here's a case example from Massachusets http://masscases.com/cases/sjc/320/320mass448.html http://masscases.com/cases/sjc/320/320mass448.html "If acting for an honest purpose, one may lawfully use a name other than his legal name without procuring a change of name"). The question there is whether avoiding a ban on returns would count as a honest purpose; arguably it would not. A standard example for inappropriate name change is changing the name to avoid seekers of debt repayment using the previous name, this seems similar in intent.
    - chii 6y ago
      avoiding a ban on returns should certainly be considered fraudulant - you're banned by the store's policy, which you would have agreed to when purchasing.
- throwAway_0x0x 6y ago
  Very interesting, I have three citizenships, I acquired the third after I changed my name in the second citizenship and on the basis of my second citizenship. The changed name in the third citizenship is not declared as it is my legitimate name and as far as I am aware I am under no obligation to (they didnt ask during application). In short I have, a full set of legitimate government documents in another name (with no direct link to my original citizenship). I may or may not have also obsfucated my biometric data in one (or more) of the passport / official photos, this necessitates that I cannot pass through automated passport control, but I get waived through as it is obviously me. I have kept my tax affairs and banking relationships under my first citizenship, and essentially view my third citizenship as entirely remote to the first. I may renounce my citizenship of the second country soon. The reason for all of this? I like hacking and exploring systems and I also think the notion of state sovereignty is outdated. AMA.