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This service should come with a big fat warning that the emoji email addresses should never be used for anything remotely serious. Running an email service is

by LeonM 6y ago

This service should come with a big fat warning that the emoji email addresses should never be used for anything remotely serious. Running an email service is not, by any means, a 'tiny project'. I would never pay, nor rely on an e-mail service that is effectively a one-men side project. I just took a quick check on the 'mailbox' domain (I can't paste emoji here on HN). There seems to be no DMARC, no MTA-STS and no TLS-reporting set up for these domains. The SPF record allows a single /48 (65k) IPv6 block of addresses to send email on behalf of the domain. The MX does not seem to support TLS. The SPF record seems to be added at the '@' domain, so it is returned on every query, even where it is not supposed to be returned, so you can be sure DKIM will fail (you did set up DKIM, did you?). Just to name a few issues. But even if implemented perfectly, there are a lot of 'enterprise' email 'solutions' out there that are not even close to implementing even the most basic of RFCs. Do not expect them to support punycode. Do not expect your emoji email to de deliverable to any of these services.

shp0ngle 6y ago
This service doesn’t support even sending, just receiving. So I don’t think there is DKIM even considered.
- sofixa 6y ago
  Or SPF for that matter.
  - toxik 6y ago
    It should have an SPF record saying nobody can send as that domain.
- LeonM 6y ago
  It says send support is 'coming soon' on the website, so expectations are already set for those paying for this service.
- motoboi 6y ago
  It needs DKIM so other people cannot send e-mail pretending to be you.
swiley 6y ago
I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't expect something like this to work reliably.
- notsureaboutpg 6y ago
  This isn't true at all. Many many many of my non-technical family members would not have any clue why emoji domain names and emoji email addresses could not be used. They love emoji (like most people) and want to use them everywhere. And if someone offered them an emoji email address, they'd easily pay for it and expect it to work like gmail/hotmail/yahoo They would not understand the following terms: unicode, punycode, domain name, mailserver, mail forwarding, tld. They would even probably reply to the wrong email (the website shows that the emoji email forwards mail to a normal email which sends the mail to you, so you should not click "Reply" on any email forwarded from this service to you). Don't assume customers' expectations.
- thatguy0900 6y ago
  He advertised it to a general audience on tic tok,and it is a service people pay for. Why would they not expect it to work? That makes no sense to me. It seems that way because you understand how dysfunctional email is. I would be upset if I bought a service for something I don't understand that is normally completely functional and free and when I relied on it it broke only for people who understand it to laugh at me because I should have just known that vendor was unreliable.
  - swiley 6y ago
    emojis break lots of things. Most people probably aren't surprised when using emojis in passwords doesn't work well either.
kureikain 6y ago
What you say is entirely true. But in practice, this is for fun, no one gonna use their emoji email for anything important. But it's great to have an emoji email to give to medium when they ask for it? Isn't that great.
- LeonM 6y ago
  > no one gonna use their emoji email for anything important I disagree. We, as technical HN crowd, know not to do this this. But any non-technical person who sees 'get a next-gen email addresses' being advertised for 9,99/year will expect more. A lot more. Do not underestimate how naive and demanding consumers can be.
  - kureikain 6y ago
    Thank you for open my mind. I see your point now.
  - rorykoehler 6y ago
    Caveat emptor
  - diogenesjunior 6y ago
    >We, as technical HN crowd, know not to do this this UWU US HACKER NEWS USERS ARE SO INTELLIGENT!!! Worse than reddit.
    - thatguy0900 6y ago
      I mean, normally I would agree with you, but here it's the case. Someone is paying for an email, address, they will expect it to work. Noone knows how email actually works, why should they.
  - ethbr0 6y ago
    And for a long time, no one used email for anything important. Very few new things emerge feature-complete.
insert_coin 6y ago
> This service should come with a big fat warning that the emoji email addresses should never be used for anything remotely serious. I don't know, we said the same thing about jeans.
hedora 6y ago
If enough people start using it, the big email providers will follow, or the new service will get around to fixing it. It’ll work out either way. I’m not going to shed a tear for gmail if they have to start putting up with someone else’s busted non-standard email infrastructure. They should be able to get what they give.
- dylan604 6y ago
  >They should be able to get what they give. Except, that will never happen. What's more likely, Gmail changes what they do to accomodate some goofy emoji system, or users of some goofy emoji system get frustrated about it's incompatibility and stop using it because it is so frustrating? I'm not talking about tech nerds on HN or the likes. I'm talking about FOMO/YOLO types that think it's "cool", but then new shiny happens, and they just forget about. One group significantly outnumbers the other.
kirykl 6y ago
If you know so much about this stuff instead of criticizing, offer to help for a consulting fee and get your own paragraph in the next update to this story
- saym 6y ago
  I love the idea of a positive (yet critical) feedback loop instead of the tone on display here.
dmingod666 6y ago
'Serious', 'enterprise'.. and email addresses ending in star emoji, eggplant emoji.. wonder how that venn diagram would look like..
- path411 6y ago
  Yes but yourname@[computer] is quite appealing for a dev. I already bought it from OP
donnythecroc 6y ago
You sound fun
mleonhard 6y ago
DMARK, DKIM, and SPF are only for sending. Mailoji doesn't support sending yet. TLS and MTA-STS are for receiving and would be good to set up, eventually.

by LeonM 6y ago

shp0ngle 6y ago

This service doesn’t support even sending, just receiving. So I don’t think there is DKIM even considered.

sofixa 6y ago
Or SPF for that matter.
- toxik 6y ago
  It should have an SPF record saying nobody can send as that domain.
LeonM 6y ago
It says send support is 'coming soon' on the website, so expectations are already set for those paying for this service.
motoboi 6y ago
It needs DKIM so other people cannot send e-mail pretending to be you.

swiley 6y ago

I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't expect something like this to work reliably.

notsureaboutpg 6y ago
This isn't true at all. Many many many of my non-technical family members would not have any clue why emoji domain names and emoji email addresses could not be used. They love emoji (like most people) and want to use them everywhere. And if someone offered them an emoji email address, they'd easily pay for it and expect it to work like gmail/hotmail/yahoo They would not understand the following terms: unicode, punycode, domain name, mailserver, mail forwarding, tld. They would even probably reply to the wrong email (the website shows that the emoji email forwards mail to a normal email which sends the mail to you, so you should not click "Reply" on any email forwarded from this service to you). Don't assume customers' expectations.
thatguy0900 6y ago
He advertised it to a general audience on tic tok,and it is a service people pay for. Why would they not expect it to work? That makes no sense to me. It seems that way because you understand how dysfunctional email is. I would be upset if I bought a service for something I don't understand that is normally completely functional and free and when I relied on it it broke only for people who understand it to laugh at me because I should have just known that vendor was unreliable.
- swiley 6y ago
  emojis break lots of things. Most people probably aren't surprised when using emojis in passwords doesn't work well either.

kureikain 6y ago

What you say is entirely true. But in practice, this is for fun, no one gonna use their emoji email for anything important. But it's great to have an emoji email to give to medium when they ask for it? Isn't that great.

LeonM 6y ago
> no one gonna use their emoji email for anything important I disagree. We, as technical HN crowd, know not to do this this. But any non-technical person who sees 'get a next-gen email addresses' being advertised for 9,99/year will expect more. A lot more. Do not underestimate how naive and demanding consumers can be.
- kureikain 6y ago
  Thank you for open my mind. I see your point now.
- rorykoehler 6y ago
  Caveat emptor
- diogenesjunior 6y ago
  >We, as technical HN crowd, know not to do this this UWU US HACKER NEWS USERS ARE SO INTELLIGENT!!! Worse than reddit.
  - thatguy0900 6y ago
    I mean, normally I would agree with you, but here it's the case. Someone is paying for an email, address, they will expect it to work. Noone knows how email actually works, why should they.
- ethbr0 6y ago
  And for a long time, no one used email for anything important. Very few new things emerge feature-complete.

insert_coin 6y ago

> This service should come with a big fat warning that the emoji email addresses should never be used for anything remotely serious. I don't know, we said the same thing about jeans.

hedora 6y ago

If enough people start using it, the big email providers will follow, or the new service will get around to fixing it. It’ll work out either way. I’m not going to shed a tear for gmail if they have to start putting up with someone else’s busted non-standard email infrastructure. They should be able to get what they give.

dylan604 6y ago
>They should be able to get what they give. Except, that will never happen. What's more likely, Gmail changes what they do to accomodate some goofy emoji system, or users of some goofy emoji system get frustrated about it's incompatibility and stop using it because it is so frustrating? I'm not talking about tech nerds on HN or the likes. I'm talking about FOMO/YOLO types that think it's "cool", but then new shiny happens, and they just forget about. One group significantly outnumbers the other.

kirykl 6y ago

If you know so much about this stuff instead of criticizing, offer to help for a consulting fee and get your own paragraph in the next update to this story

saym 6y ago
I love the idea of a positive (yet critical) feedback loop instead of the tone on display here.

dmingod666 6y ago

'Serious', 'enterprise'.. and email addresses ending in star emoji, eggplant emoji.. wonder how that venn diagram would look like..

path411 6y ago
Yes but yourname@[computer] is quite appealing for a dev. I already bought it from OP

donnythecroc 6y ago

You sound fun

mleonhard 6y ago

DMARK, DKIM, and SPF are only for sending. Mailoji doesn't support sending yet. TLS and MTA-STS are for receiving and would be good to set up, eventually.