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IPv6 Adoption Visualization
- HideousKojima 6y agoI'm assuming this is because a huge percentage of India's internet infrastructure was only built recently?
- toast0 6y agoA couple years ago, a new 4g network, Jio, launched. They are very focused on IPv6 because the costs to get IPv4 addresses is high. They also are very low cost, so they attracted lots of customers.
- kevinkeller 6y agoYou are probably correct, the timeline for India in the same page shows that IPv6 usage (which was previously stagnant) started growing sometime in mid-2016. Which is when Jio started onboarding customers from the general public (they previously had a closed trial stage).
- SilverRed 6y agoHow did they avoid the cost of ipv4? I would think they still support it since a lot of stuff is v4 only. Are they using CGNAT for v4? I wonder how many people you could put under a single v4 address with CGNAT. Those v6 numbers look promising though. Maybe one day we will be able to directly route between home networks again without dynamic dns and other ugly hacks.
- IgorPartola 6y agoYou can use IPv6 today. If your ISP doesn’t give you a connection, get a tunnel set up with Hurricane Electric. Since about 2012 I’ve considered any network that doesn’t have IPv6 to be broken. I think currently I run only one site that doesn’t support it and next time I touch it I’ll convert it to dual stack. If you are curious, you could always get a browser extension that shows you which IP version a given site was loaded on to see how many actually support IPv6, or just straight up disable IPv4 on your network for a bit to see what happens.
- delsarto 6y agoThe problem with this is that most big services now support IPv6, and probably have CDN's literally co-located within your ISP, or very close to. Even if the tunnel endpoint is not that far from you, I found it still makes a big difference in day-to-day operation tunneling past these edge caches.
- IgorPartola 6y agoYour ISP may well already support IPv6, especially if they have CDN endpoints in their data centers.
- delsarto 6y agoYes, I actually pay a premium to go with an ISP that has a decent implementation of native IPv6. I work day-to-day with several clouds that are IPv6 only (they have IPv4 NAT for getting out) so it makes things significantly easier.
- wahern 6y agoI have Cogent Fiber to my office and because of installation and other costs (e.g. healthy SMTP IPv4 status) I'm not keen to change it. I have a /64 from Cogent, but Cogent and HE still refuse to peer after all these years. If you're a direct HE or Cogent customer, to reach the other's network you have to arrange transit with a third party. As a practical matter my IPv6 block is crippled, as are those from HE. (Something similar might also be going on with Cogent/Google, too.) If I need to go through the rigamarole of tunnel brokering, BGP advertising, etc, I may as well just get my own block from ARIN. Vultr offers BGP brokering for a pittance, and they (presumably) have peering arrangements that handle the HE/Cogent debacle. I also want to try to get an IPv4 block, so I can enjoy SMTP hosting portability across ISPs. It would be nice to not be constantly harassed by Cogent sales staff. One of these days....
- IgorPartola 6y agoDidn’t know about Cogent and HE, that’s unfortunate. I was reading recently about whether you can get IP allocations and it seemed to me that ARIN basically requires that you show that you’ll be using some large percentage of addresses right away and keep growing that usage. Basically they seem to want to give them to ISPs or hosting providers. Can you can your own IPv6 block as a private small business?
- toast0 6y agoThey had to buy some IPv4 addresses, which they use for CGNAT; they put a lot more customers per IP than T-Mobile US does though. Then they push everyone they partner with hard to do IPv6. And it makes sense too, if your customers are on Jio, things will work better if you can do IPv6 to keep them off CGNAT.
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- anshumankmr 6y agoThere's also a high amount of value added services like free magazines, movies etc. Also you can stream cricket live. And they bought India's most popular streaming service for music called Saavn
- Aperocky 6y agoPotential reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IPv4_address_allocation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IPv4_addr... when you have 28 ipv4 address per 1000 people, it really leaves very little choice.
- warent 6y ago!! I had no idea ip addresses were allocated in this way. Living in american tech is apparently way more luxurious than anything I ever could have imagined
- HideousKojima 6y agoYou'd think the Vatican would have a bustling tech industry with all those IPv4 addresses
- DaiPlusPlus 6y agoThe more optimistic of us really did think we'd all be using IPv6 by 2006.
- SilverRed 6y agoThe funny thing is Telegram just ran in to the issue where the 32bit user id column was about to overflow but overnight it went from 32bit to 64bit. No decades of waiting and hacks. Just goes to show how hard it is to make any kind of change without a central authority.
- grecy 6y agoIt's quite common for developing countries to outpace developed countries in "tech stats", because they often skip the older generation and leapfrog right to the new stuff as soon as it's available. For many years in the early 2000s Ecuador lead the world in cell phone ownership because in most rural areas they had few landline phones due to the cost of infrastructure, so when cell phones came around everyone immediately jumped on board.
- ATsch 6y agoThe other way of looking at it is that the companies haven't entrenched a monopoly yet.
- cjdell 6y agoThis is fascinating. What are the implications of Indian users with only IPv6 stacks accessing IPv4 only sites? Does it look like potentially thousands of users accessing a site behind a single shared IPv4 address (i.e. CG-NAT)?
- SilverRed 6y agoFrom other comments previously, apparently your phone will only connect over ipv6 and then the ISP will manage forwarding your request over a shared ipv4 address. So yeah, it would look like many people on the same address. Thats pretty common globally. When ever I use my phone internet to connect to sites that use IP bans I find my self banned from most irc channels and other sites that I have never visited before.
- Aperocky 6y agoI wish more website can support ipv6 natively, but there's not a lot of pressure to do that in US as there are just so many ipv4 addresses lying around.
- kalleboo 6y agoAt least the wide adoption of CDNs like CloudFlare and CloudFront have had one positive effect - lots of sites have gotten IPv6 support "for free"
- perryizgr8 6y agoIt's never ipv6 only. There is an ipv4 address too. Not sure how that works, but ipv6-test.com shows both versions of addresses.
- Volundr 6y agoKind of. In practice your right, basically every ipv6-only ISP will run NAT64/DNS64 so you can access the ipv4 only web, but there's no technical reason they HAVE to, just a commercial one. And you have far less control of that ipv4 address than you would even a dynamic ipv4 assigned to your router.
- perryizgr8 6y agoMajor driver of this was the rollout of the jio network. Most of it is ipv6.
- mike_d 6y agoGoogle puts them at only 57% https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...
- akmittal 6y agoStill higher than other countries
- fomine3 6y agoWhat about for local web/mobile content provider's IPv6 adoption rate in India? Possibly IPv6 network is faster than crowded NATed v4?
- random5634 6y agoI just can't believe how complex they made ipv6.
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y agoYeah, IMO IPv6 hit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-system_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-system_effect really hard
- random5634 6y agoMan, that is it exactly, they threw everything and the kitchen sink into it AND made it unnecessarily difficult to update systems / be compatible with IPv4. They should have had IPv6 with a header or config for IPv4 gateway(s) configured at the IPv6 boundary of your current network (could even be local / on device if needed). Want to talk to IPv6 - you go native. Want to talk to IPv4, connect using known prefix to IPv4 boundary gateway and it NATs you out. The implementation / firewall changes needed for this are crazy, the config stuff also crazy, the number of layers of encryption I'm hitting (I'm IPv6 on a VPN using wireguard tunnels and browsing in SSL on my remote machine) seems nuts.
- Dagger2 6y agoYou mean like... NAT64? For me, the necessary firewall changes consisted of using "domain (ip ip6)" in ferm instead of "domain ip"; the general config is a few lines in radvd.conf plus a static IP on the LAN interface (and v4 requires that one too). None of that seems very crazy. > the number of layers of encryption I'm hitting (I'm IPv6 on a VPN using wireguard tunnels and browsing in SSL on my remote machine) seems nuts. This is two layers, one of which you introduced yourself and neither of which have anything to do with v6.
- random5634 6y agoNo disrespect, but you have probably not implemented or tried to transition a network running on IPv4 to either dual stack or IPv6 native internally. Even the big players like AWS / GCP etc struggled with this.
- oh_sigh 6y agoCan anyone tell me(or point to a good blog post) why IPv6 is more than simply IPv4 with 128 bits for an address vs 32?
- freeone3000 6y agoMain differences: IPv6 uses multicast over unicast/broadcast. ARP is handled at the IP level rather than the ethernet level, and is done via solicited multicast. Anycast exists, so OSPF is essentially part of the protocol. (Theoretically, you could dispatch at random, but you probably already built an OSPF tree for v4 routing) The addresses are strictly heirarchial, with variable-length hostmasks -- this is even bigger than CIDR, as it's assumed subnets are actually masked off of a larger subnet (There's also some boring stuff like the checksum being dropped) These are all features of how IPv4 networks worked in 2004, but none of them were at the IP level.
- fulafel 6y agohttp://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1678.html http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1678.html IPng Requirements of Large Corporate Networks http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1686.html http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1686.html IPng Requirements: A Cable Television Industry Viewpoint Short answer: there was more stuff people wanted to fix.
- arpa 6y agoSecond system effect.
- jimmar 6y agoI decided to enable IPv6 on my home network two days ago. My ISP said that "most service areas" and "most devices" they deployed supported IPv6 without giving any way to verify if my service area or modem supported IPv6. My ISP also didn't give enough information for actually configuring my router (e.g. the size of the prefix delegation). The only useful information I found about actually enabling IPv6 came from regular users on forums for the ISP and a different forum for my router. But I got it working. Once I found the 3 settings I had to change on my router, it worked without any problems, though so far, it's working without any perceived benefit also.
- kiwijamo 6y agoI had the same experience with my ISP--had to find out I was able to get IPv6 only through a local forum frequented by employees of various ISPs. Also had to find out settings through this--turned out that the default setting of getting IP address assignment etc through PPPoE they usually suggest is still assigning IPv4 addresses only but their BNGs will provide IPv4+6 if you switch to getting ip assignments through DHCP/IPoE. I am sure things will improve over time as IPv6 becomes a first class citizen.
- speedgoose 6y agoI would suggest a better colour scale, with more contrast and perhaps more colours. White to orange may look good but it's not very easy to compare countries that are not next to each others.
- RealStickman_ 6y agoI recently found out that the Google Home Wifi router I have has ipv6 disabled by default. Does anyone have an idea why ipv6 disabled would be the default?
- bdd 6y agoFacebook has an IPv6 adoption dashboard as well. https://www.facebook.com/ipv6 https://www.facebook.com/ipv6 We clock India at 66.06% and US at 59.37%
- capableweb 6y agoI'm assuming the Facebook dashboard is measuring user connections, while the Akamai measures everyone connecting to any Akamai resource. Apples to oranges really, and the Facebook one is not gonna give a fair view of the current state, better to trust dashboard from companies providing infrastructure instead of user-facing apps.