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The biggest selling point is really the OPEX sales model, and outsourcing of the general care-and-feeding of the recorders/servers. The tradeoff is that you ten
by brk 6y ago
The biggest selling point is really the OPEX sales model, and outsourcing of the general care-and-feeding of the recorders/servers. The tradeoff is that you tend to get lesser quality video and/or less scalability of the size of the system from bandwidth limitations.
Theft of recorders/loss of recorded video is much much less of an issue than it is generally made out to be, and most systems have various means for auto backups, dual recording, etc. Many also have the ability to send select segments of video, based on motion or analytics, to cloud/FTP/email for free, which adds some extra resiliency if you are really worried about random arsonists :)
(I work in the industry)
- pdimitar 6y ago> (I work in the industry) Ohhhh, you are so in trouble now! :P I am pondering moving to a rather remote estate with my wife but we're both city kids and have zero clue how to defend ourselves in such conditions (I am even thinking we should take shooting lessons and bring guns to the estate as well). Part of our plan is a surveillance system -- I planned to have an on-site ZFS storage cluster with several cameras that periodically encrypts the last 5 minutes and sends them off-site. Not sure how complex such a setup might turn out to be though... Maybe there's a way to make the storage cluster itself auto-replicate remotely often enough? I'm not that educated yet. Do you have any recommendations? I don't want to spend $5000 due to paranoia but I don't want to be defenseless in case of a robbery either. What's the middle ground?
- brk 6y agoThis isn't a short conversation, but you can contact me offline and I can give you some pointers.
- pdimitar 6y agoPinged you on twitter several hours ago, as I can't find any other accounts in your HN profile and don't want to stalk by looking you up online.
- bigbillheck 6y agoIs it just me or does this seem kind of excessive?
- pdimitar 6y agoThe area I want to move in is known for its heightened percent of home invasions and burglaries. So I don't know, maybe it is excessive. I just don't want my life savings to fall into the hands of a random burglar.
- Forbo 6y agoWhy keep your savings at home? For anything critical I use a safe deposit box.
- pdimitar 6y agoMy bad for using bad figure of speech. Of course most of my savings won't even be physical (bank / cryptocurrency / investments etc.) -- I meant that I'll have all my possessions there (expensive computers, TVs, furniture, kitchen tech, what have you) and I would like to avoid having them stolen while I am grocery shopping in the nearest city, you know.
- closeparen 6y agoIs law enforcement in the area such that cameras would be a real deterrent?
- pdimitar 6y agoNo clue. But I am accepting another commenter's idea that having very visible cameras (on purpose!), solid fence and 1-3 guard dogs should be enough to deter 99% of the potential home invaders.
- LinuxBender 6y agoTo me excessive would be automatic tracking turrets with really nasty things mounted on them. I recall someone made one that fits in a briefcase and uses paintballs. It had something like 90% accuracy on fast randomly moving targets. But for some people that might not be excessive, probably depends on the circumstances.
- GrinningFool 6y agoWould not a large dog suffice? They're more maintenance, but also come with other benefits.
- pdimitar 6y agoYep, we thought of buying two specially trained German shepherds (the kind of training that requires you to be there so the dog bonds with you and trusts nobody else). Still not sure about guns but the dogs would indeed be a very good investment.
- cacarr 6y agoAn Anatolian livestock guardian dog is a vastly superior natural guard dog, compared to a GSD. They can not be bribed with food, and they spend every second of their waking day looking for intruders to destroy. Very gentle with children and small dogs, though. Downsides include being extremely smart but not very trainable (smart like a wolf) -- they decide what's a threat and what isn't, and they don't care about your opinion. They guard naturally. Also, you may find yourself having to bury dead coyotes on occasion, as they will murder any that are stupid enough to intrude.
- pdimitar 6y agoVery interesting, thanks a lot! I'll research more.
- d110af5ccf 6y ago> specially trained I think you might be overthinking this. The dogs don't even need to be large. If the property is more than a few acres just get 2 or 3 herding dogs. They're upbeat, energetic, and above all very noisy if a stranger wanders into your yard. I very much doubt anyone will ever bother you. > Still not sure about guns How remote is it? What's the police response time? If it's really in the middle of nowhere then it seems like a good idea to have something on hand just in case.
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- omgJustTest 6y agoWho are your enemies haha. “Don’t want to spend 5k cause of paranoia but I’m planning on moving to a remote estate and... guns... and gun lessons.... cause I’m not paranoid”
- lifeisstillgood 6y agoForgive me asking but which country do you live in. I often have debates with my wife about country vs city living, but I don't think buying a gun / attack dog / big security system ever comes into the equation. (UK based). Am I not paranoid enough, are you over paranoid? Is there a Bayesian equation we need here? Just to put up an alternative I just read this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26411899 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26411899 The guy cycled through Europe and India, met some guy in a bar in Italy and ended up sleeping on his couch and eating home cooked Pasta lunch the next day. A different approach would be to drive with a gun under the seat. I think something is missing.
- 177tcca 6y ago> Am I not paranoid enough Do you also forgo a fire extinguisher in your kitchen?
- cacarr 6y ago> (UK based) Often what's "country" in the UK (outside of Scotland) would be considered exurban in the USA. You might possibly feel different about security at a truly remote home in N America.
- pdimitar 6y agoMe and my wife were thinking Costa Rica but got warned by an acquaintance that burglaries and home invasions in remote areas are a regular occurrence. And we want a sea-side house.
- wcarron 6y agoTo be honest, the easiest way is to 1) Buy and install a bunch of ring cameras and 2) Buy and learn to use a Mossberg 500 with a 18" barrel. Maybe another gun, too. Total cost: Idk, $800-1800.
- ocdtrekkie 6y agoI am still honestly confused by the whole "OpEx > CapEx" thing. Apparently for some people this is worth paying over double the price when you look at things on an annualized basis, even for an established business that's got a very stable environment?
- HeyLaughingBoy 6y agoCompare SaaS to COTS software: same thing, (somewhat) different industry.
- brk 6y agoIn short, yes it is. The concept of having a predictable recurring bill, and known costs can have a lot of value. In the opex hardware model, there is usually a hardware refresh built in (a lease of sorts) and also covered replacements for any failures before the refresh.
- ocdtrekkie 6y ago> a predictable recurring bill This makes no sense to me, because almost no OpEx-based services operate on a predictable billing model. Usage based pricing means they are subject to change. If I buy a $5,000 server, and it lasts me five years, I can plan around needing $1,000 a year set aside to replace it. Meanwhile, my AWS bill can suddenly be $20,000 with no warning. The hardware refresh model you describe... I've actually only ever seen in a CapEx appliance, where paying for the support contract got you those refreshes regularly, replacement for failures, etc. but had an initial upfront purchase cost.
- closeparen 6y agoWhen the news comes out that a major company has signed a deal with a cloud provider, it's that they've committed to spend $X over N years. Presumably the deal would be renegotiated if their usage changed dramatically, but it is not actually variable pricing.