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I really hated ColdFusion. It made PHP hacks seem like beautiful poetry. So it’s funny that ColdFusion folks would complain about any stupid recruiter. But CF

I really hated ColdFusion. It made PHP hacks seem like beautiful poetry. So it’s funny that ColdFusion folks would complain about any stupid recruiter. But CF peeps are people too. My opinion is based on having to fix a lot of CF code from people who were “faking it until they could hire prepend to make it.” It’s funny that Allaire now runs RStudio and when I learned that I considered not using it anymore because of some lurking, unknown to me technical debt. But I’m sure he’s a smart person and CF was not terrible due to him being bad. So I’m still using RStudio.

e12e 6y ago
I used to hate CF until I came across the fusebox pattern/framework[1]. I think they were some of the first to draw up a sane architecture for "template" languages (cf, php, asp, jsp etc). Much like a book I picked up on sale about asp[2] - it really drove home the point that a programming language really needs to be terrible before it is the main problem - rather than how you use it. See also xmlhttprequest/Ajax and "Javascript - the good parts". [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20180928051133/http://fusebox.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20180928051133/http://fusebox.or... and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusebox_(programming) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusebox_(programming) [2] "Designing Active Server Pages" 2000, O'Reilly Media
- prepend 6y ago
  I didn’t use CF professionally until 2000 and started with fusebox. I think fusebox was a good idea, but still CF sucked to use as a developer (me comparing it to cgi, php, asp, java). I stopped using CF in 2001, but the fusebox ideas stuck with me as I worked with other web frameworks like struts, spring, other mvc stuff.
itronitron 6y ago
Allaire can be bad while being a smart person, at least according to one of my former coworkers who worked at Allaire.

e12e 6y ago

I used to hate CF until I came across the fusebox pattern/framework[1]. I think they were some of the first to draw up a sane architecture for "template" languages (cf, php, asp, jsp etc). Much like a book I picked up on sale about asp[2] - it really drove home the point that a programming language really needs to be terrible before it is the main problem - rather than how you use it. See also xmlhttprequest/Ajax and "Javascript - the good parts". [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20180928051133/http://fusebox.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20180928051133/http://fusebox.or... and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusebox_(programming) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusebox_(programming) [2] "Designing Active Server Pages" 2000, O'Reilly Media

prepend 6y ago
I didn’t use CF professionally until 2000 and started with fusebox. I think fusebox was a good idea, but still CF sucked to use as a developer (me comparing it to cgi, php, asp, java). I stopped using CF in 2001, but the fusebox ideas stuck with me as I worked with other web frameworks like struts, spring, other mvc stuff.

itronitron 6y ago

Allaire can be bad while being a smart person, at least according to one of my former coworkers who worked at Allaire.