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Are you saying that, if what was reported is true, you would find it disturbing? Or are you saying, the source itself is suspect, so you can't believe it? Beca

Are you saying that, if what was reported is true, you would find it disturbing? Or are you saying, the source itself is suspect, so you can't believe it? Because I know for a fact this ideology is being pushed hard right now, as ridiculous as it is.

harimau777 6y ago
The problem is that the core argument that the article is making isn't whether or not a particular ideology is being taught. Instead it's saying that the ideology is being taught specifically in an exceedingly over the top manner, that the slightest disagreement carries the threat of life altering punishment, and that the situation is characteristic of elite education. Without some sort of verifiable information it is difficult to determine if those arguments are valid. However, as the saying goes "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
- AuryGlenz 6y ago
  Is that really an extraordinary claim? Public figures are “cancelled” all the time. I see no reason why that couldn’t happen on a local level.
elipsey 6y ago
>> I know for a fact this ideology is being pushed hard right now And yet you have ironically failed to furnish evidence. OP rightly observes that the article is riddled with anonymous hearsay, and published by a tax exempt lobbying group. For those who choose to read comments first, here's a taste of what you have to look forward to in the article: "says one of the fathers(...)'What he has a problem with is a movement that tells his children that America is a bad country and that they bear collective racial guilt. They are making my son feel like a racist because of the pigmentation of his skin' one mother says."
- seibelj 6y ago
  > OP rightly observes that the article is riddled with anonymous hearsay, and published by a tax exempt lobbying group Is the ideology of the Manhattan Institute your problem? Because there are endless left-wing tax exempt "lobbying" groups (aka any nonprofit in America that tries to advocate for policy change), so I'm not sure what groups you can possibly trust given your criteria.
  - elipsey 6y ago
    My problem is with the anonymouse hearsay. "America is a bad country" Who said this? Why can't the author quote them directly? Why should I believe this even happened? Edit: Not that I have a dog in this fight, but while we're at it, can you point me in the direction of a reactionary/militant leftist 501(c)3? I have always assumed that all sorts of rich zealots were using these as as anonymous lobbying slush funds, or at least would be soon enough, but I have genuinely never seen a general leftist-interest one, and I'm intellectually curious. :)

harimau777 6y ago

The problem is that the core argument that the article is making isn't whether or not a particular ideology is being taught. Instead it's saying that the ideology is being taught specifically in an exceedingly over the top manner, that the slightest disagreement carries the threat of life altering punishment, and that the situation is characteristic of elite education. Without some sort of verifiable information it is difficult to determine if those arguments are valid. However, as the saying goes "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

AuryGlenz 6y ago
Is that really an extraordinary claim? Public figures are “cancelled” all the time. I see no reason why that couldn’t happen on a local level.

elipsey 6y ago

>> I know for a fact this ideology is being pushed hard right now And yet you have ironically failed to furnish evidence. OP rightly observes that the article is riddled with anonymous hearsay, and published by a tax exempt lobbying group. For those who choose to read comments first, here's a taste of what you have to look forward to in the article: "says one of the fathers(...)'What he has a problem with is a movement that tells his children that America is a bad country and that they bear collective racial guilt. They are making my son feel like a racist because of the pigmentation of his skin' one mother says."

seibelj 6y ago
> OP rightly observes that the article is riddled with anonymous hearsay, and published by a tax exempt lobbying group Is the ideology of the Manhattan Institute your problem? Because there are endless left-wing tax exempt "lobbying" groups (aka any nonprofit in America that tries to advocate for policy change), so I'm not sure what groups you can possibly trust given your criteria.
- elipsey 6y ago
  My problem is with the anonymouse hearsay. "America is a bad country" Who said this? Why can't the author quote them directly? Why should I believe this even happened? Edit: Not that I have a dog in this fight, but while we're at it, can you point me in the direction of a reactionary/militant leftist 501(c)3? I have always assumed that all sorts of rich zealots were using these as as anonymous lobbying slush funds, or at least would be soon enough, but I have genuinely never seen a general leftist-interest one, and I'm intellectually curious. :)