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You really don't see the benefit of paying USA $60 to rent 24 high quality games a year indefinitely? I mean really? thats almost a $1000 value. I mean literal

by Noos 6y ago

You really don't see the benefit of paying USA $60 to rent 24 high quality games a year indefinitely? I mean really? thats almost a $1000 value. I mean literally, you will get more games (and AAA ones too) for pennies. I have PS plus, and they throw games at you. It's a problem because it probably suppresses people's desire to buy new games; like why buy control at launch when chances are it hits plus later?

FpUser 6y ago
Why would I give a hoot about that $1000 value. It only exists in the heads of corporate people who are trying to hook me up. The only thing that matters to me would be do I like games X,Y,Z and how much am I willing to pay for it.
- Noos 6y ago
  You pay less with plus for most of the games. Like I paid $60 for the PS4 Final Fantasy 7 remake, when I could have waited and paid what works out to be $2. They threw it on PS plus. Like I literally at one point got 6 games a month from it, since they gave them away for ps3, ps4, and ps vita. You literally pay the cost of one AAA game to get access to 24 for a year or more. If you think it's not a value, you're mistaken.
  - benrbray 6y ago
    If you're the kind of person who wants to play the entire PlayStation catalog, I can see the value. For me, I paid for PS plus just to play Battlefield One. I downloaded the plus games every month (when I remembered to) and most of them didn't really interest me (e.g. Just Cause and Batman I just didn't enjoy after giving them a shot).
    - Noos 6y ago
      Looking at my PS Plus library. Read only 2064 memories Amnesia Collection Absolver All three Bioshock games Bloodborne Cities: Skyline Conan Exiles Control Day of the Tentacle Dead by Daylight Fall Guys God of war 3 Guacamelee Metal Gear Solid V Nioh Rise of the Tomb Raider Soma Uncharted 4 What remains of edith finch Yakuza Kiwami If I wasnt already conditioned to buy physical games i'd legit not need to buy one ever. It's not like they throw junk at you.
      - whynaut 6y ago
        Every game I’ve played on this list is amazing. I could add a few more if I booted my console. I understand the frustration of having to pay to play online, but Sony has definitely made great steps towards making PS Plus a value beyond that.
  - FpUser 6y ago
    >"If you think it's not a value, you're mistaken." I am not mistaken. I do what I want how I want where possible and that alone is of great value to me. And they would not be squeezing me later when they think that there are enough people on the hook and the alternatives are few so lets raise the price.
simion314 6y ago
My son only plays same 3 games but I have to get the Plus for the online features. I think you are lucky if you enjoy 20% of the games on the Plus offer that you do not already own. If they really want my money each month then OK, fine but let me chose(put my money in the wallet and I buy what I want or put a giant list of games so I have some kind of choice).
- whynaut 6y ago
  to be fair, they are making this change somewhat. on PS5, Ps Plus members have access to the “PS Plus Collection” which is I believe 15-20 of the best PS4 games, and one free PS5 game a month in addition to the usual PS Plus offerings.
  - simion314 6y ago
    I did not researched the PS5 collection so maybe that is worth it. The thing that really irritates me a lot is that Sony made Plus required for multiplayer and it was not like that in the PS3 days, so it is a downgrade in my opinion. But because my son spends his time in games like Little Big Planet and recently Dreams I can't consider an xbox or PC. Also if you are a fan of Tomb Raider , Final Fantasy or other good game you will buy it and not wait years for it to appear on Plus.
moistbar 6y ago
What value is gained from being forced to pay for internet access that you've already paid for? What value comes from owning $1000 worth of games I don't care about?
- supernovae 6y ago
  The value is what you make of it. For me, its worth it. For you, only you can tell. It's not my job to convince haters to like something, but at the same time, just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean that millions can't either. For many of us, Xbox Game Pass is a serious bargain. Going forward we don't need to buy Microsoft studio titles, which the game pass makes super affordable and as for historical games, having 100s to play on Xbox or PC is super nice.
melomal 6y ago
I agree here, everyone seems to just be on some rabid rampage talking about the if's, what's and maybe's. I couldn't access my Xbox for 2 months, I got it setup over the weekend. Downloaded 5 new games thanks to Game Pass, there's a lot more there as well but I need to play them and all for basically nothing. Netflix - everyone pays $5 per month for the pleasure of scrolling. Add in Amazon, Hulu and everything else and you have over $50 worth of scrolling to do to watch the same movies and TV shows that was watched many times over.
- jboog 6y ago
  People on these forums just can't fathom the idea that they aren't the "average" consumer. They think because game passes don't make sense for THEM, that it's a bad idea. Therefore any decision made by game developers are awful, they are all idiots, people who spend time on niche tech/gaming forums are all geniuses who understand their market better etc. etc.
  - melomal 6y ago
    Yeah, to be fair you are right. It's amazing when you speak to non-tech people about some of the subjects discussed in HN and they honestly wouldn't care or know what anything is about.
    - ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
      Never miss a chance to namedrop that infamous Dropbox comment.
krageon 6y ago
> $1000 value No, it's $60 value. That's what you paid for it, that's what it's worth. You cannot compare it to a different ownership model, because that is not a fair comparison.

by Noos 6y ago

FpUser 6y ago

Why would I give a hoot about that $1000 value. It only exists in the heads of corporate people who are trying to hook me up. The only thing that matters to me would be do I like games X,Y,Z and how much am I willing to pay for it.

Noos 6y ago
You pay less with plus for most of the games. Like I paid $60 for the PS4 Final Fantasy 7 remake, when I could have waited and paid what works out to be $2. They threw it on PS plus. Like I literally at one point got 6 games a month from it, since they gave them away for ps3, ps4, and ps vita. You literally pay the cost of one AAA game to get access to 24 for a year or more. If you think it's not a value, you're mistaken.
- benrbray 6y ago
  If you're the kind of person who wants to play the entire PlayStation catalog, I can see the value. For me, I paid for PS plus just to play Battlefield One. I downloaded the plus games every month (when I remembered to) and most of them didn't really interest me (e.g. Just Cause and Batman I just didn't enjoy after giving them a shot).
  - Noos 6y ago
    Looking at my PS Plus library. Read only 2064 memories Amnesia Collection Absolver All three Bioshock games Bloodborne Cities: Skyline Conan Exiles Control Day of the Tentacle Dead by Daylight Fall Guys God of war 3 Guacamelee Metal Gear Solid V Nioh Rise of the Tomb Raider Soma Uncharted 4 What remains of edith finch Yakuza Kiwami If I wasnt already conditioned to buy physical games i'd legit not need to buy one ever. It's not like they throw junk at you.
    - whynaut 6y ago
      Every game I’ve played on this list is amazing. I could add a few more if I booted my console. I understand the frustration of having to pay to play online, but Sony has definitely made great steps towards making PS Plus a value beyond that.
- FpUser 6y ago
  >"If you think it's not a value, you're mistaken." I am not mistaken. I do what I want how I want where possible and that alone is of great value to me. And they would not be squeezing me later when they think that there are enough people on the hook and the alternatives are few so lets raise the price.

simion314 6y ago

My son only plays same 3 games but I have to get the Plus for the online features. I think you are lucky if you enjoy 20% of the games on the Plus offer that you do not already own. If they really want my money each month then OK, fine but let me chose(put my money in the wallet and I buy what I want or put a giant list of games so I have some kind of choice).

whynaut 6y ago
to be fair, they are making this change somewhat. on PS5, Ps Plus members have access to the “PS Plus Collection” which is I believe 15-20 of the best PS4 games, and one free PS5 game a month in addition to the usual PS Plus offerings.
- simion314 6y ago
  I did not researched the PS5 collection so maybe that is worth it. The thing that really irritates me a lot is that Sony made Plus required for multiplayer and it was not like that in the PS3 days, so it is a downgrade in my opinion. But because my son spends his time in games like Little Big Planet and recently Dreams I can't consider an xbox or PC. Also if you are a fan of Tomb Raider , Final Fantasy or other good game you will buy it and not wait years for it to appear on Plus.

moistbar 6y ago

What value is gained from being forced to pay for internet access that you've already paid for? What value comes from owning $1000 worth of games I don't care about?

supernovae 6y ago
The value is what you make of it. For me, its worth it. For you, only you can tell. It's not my job to convince haters to like something, but at the same time, just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean that millions can't either. For many of us, Xbox Game Pass is a serious bargain. Going forward we don't need to buy Microsoft studio titles, which the game pass makes super affordable and as for historical games, having 100s to play on Xbox or PC is super nice.

melomal 6y ago

I agree here, everyone seems to just be on some rabid rampage talking about the if's, what's and maybe's. I couldn't access my Xbox for 2 months, I got it setup over the weekend. Downloaded 5 new games thanks to Game Pass, there's a lot more there as well but I need to play them and all for basically nothing. Netflix - everyone pays $5 per month for the pleasure of scrolling. Add in Amazon, Hulu and everything else and you have over $50 worth of scrolling to do to watch the same movies and TV shows that was watched many times over.

jboog 6y ago
People on these forums just can't fathom the idea that they aren't the "average" consumer. They think because game passes don't make sense for THEM, that it's a bad idea. Therefore any decision made by game developers are awful, they are all idiots, people who spend time on niche tech/gaming forums are all geniuses who understand their market better etc. etc.
- melomal 6y ago
  Yeah, to be fair you are right. It's amazing when you speak to non-tech people about some of the subjects discussed in HN and they honestly wouldn't care or know what anything is about.
  - ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
    Never miss a chance to namedrop that infamous Dropbox comment.

krageon 6y ago

> $1000 value No, it's $60 value. That's what you paid for it, that's what it's worth. You cannot compare it to a different ownership model, because that is not a fair comparison.