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I think the pandemic has a role to play in this for sure. I imagine may were required to use computers/tech as they've not done before. Often times those who ar

I think the pandemic has a role to play in this for sure. I imagine may were required to use computers/tech as they've not done before. Often times those who are uneducated have to be accounted for so concessions are made. For example, Sam needs to use a corporate network, doesn't really understand "apps" or what a "TOTP" is, so they optimize (weaken security) to allow them in.

luckman212 6y ago
Can we change this to "dumber than average" Sue? I guarantee when I'm 60 I'll still be able to safely operate a computer and understand what an "app" is, FFS. Ageism is really out of control these days.
- jstanley 6y ago
  Sure, but when you're 60 you might not be so hot on technology that you first encountered in your 50s. I'm sure today's 60-year-olds are still perfectly good at the kind of things they've been doing since they were 20.
  - ineedasername 6y ago
    The implication that someone couldn't keep up with a relatively new things-- in your case vague example something they even encountered a few years earlier-- is pretty much the definition of ageism. Anyone who decides to keep their professional skills current will do just fine whether they're 5 years out of school or 40 years out of school. If someone doesn't keep current & is 5 years out of date on their skills, there's not a lot of difference between a 30 year old and a 60 year old that are equally 5 years out of date. Though the 60 year old might have decades more of experience working in their advantage, so maybe the two aren't equal.
  - blackrock 6y ago
    25 years ago, the hot technology was dial-up modems. And PCMCIA cards to connect to WiFi. Haven’t had much use of that lately.
- ldng 6y ago
  You have a point about ageism, but you also make quite a condescending mistake of your own. You could have say "less tech savvy" than "dumber than average". It is not because you don't master something that you did not use before that you are dumb.
- aboringusername 6y ago
  I edited the comment, you make a good point. My bias is that in my experience the elderly tends to struggle the most as it wasn't common in their day, but point duly noted.
- cosmodisk 6y ago
  Absolutely agree on this. I've seen the entire spectrum by now: kids,who literally grew up with computers in their hands, not being able to operate simple software and people way past retirement age doing complex 'magic' on their PCs
  - ethbr0 6y ago
    I'm not impressed by the digital native, current generations. I think a better descriptor would be "app-native" -- i.e. "I don't understand or care how anything computing works under the hood, and it'd better be tied off with a pretty bow and UI."
    - cosmodisk 6y ago
      This is a topic we discussed with a colleague earlier this week: everyone's smart to click some buttons on an app,which, even a monkey with some basic training could do, but anything outside their comfort zone is a foreign language to them. Just a few days ago got asked what's the url to login to Office 365. There doesn't seem to be any willingness to think.
      - boomboomsubban 6y ago
        As someone who hasn't touched Microsoft office in a decade, what's the URL for Office 365 seems like a fair question. Isn't it competing with Google? I assume they offer an in browser client, So yes, I have no idea how things I don't use work. This isn't that I'm unwilling to think, things are more open ended.
        cosmodisk 6y ago
        It's not the part whether one knows or doesn't know the url fascinates me: it's a professional setting, where people are quite used to solve problems much more complex than figuring out what's the url. For me it's the thought process: What's the url? I don't know.. error... error.. error. The equivalent of this is if I'd say to someone I've read a great article on Financial Times website,and they'd reply with: sorry, I can't read it,I don't know the url..
- klingon79 6y ago
  How about Pat? That’s ambiguous enough.
  - fortyrod 6y ago
    Or pretend you're in the southeastern US, where "Sam" and "Sue" are both non-gendered, and probably ageless, according to Mr. Cash, at least. You could also go with Courtney, Tracy, Billie, Casey, Drew...
lpriv 6y ago
Cocks are tasty

luckman212 6y ago

Can we change this to "dumber than average" Sue? I guarantee when I'm 60 I'll still be able to safely operate a computer and understand what an "app" is, FFS. Ageism is really out of control these days.

jstanley 6y ago
Sure, but when you're 60 you might not be so hot on technology that you first encountered in your 50s. I'm sure today's 60-year-olds are still perfectly good at the kind of things they've been doing since they were 20.
- ineedasername 6y ago
  The implication that someone couldn't keep up with a relatively new things-- in your case vague example something they even encountered a few years earlier-- is pretty much the definition of ageism. Anyone who decides to keep their professional skills current will do just fine whether they're 5 years out of school or 40 years out of school. If someone doesn't keep current & is 5 years out of date on their skills, there's not a lot of difference between a 30 year old and a 60 year old that are equally 5 years out of date. Though the 60 year old might have decades more of experience working in their advantage, so maybe the two aren't equal.
- blackrock 6y ago
  25 years ago, the hot technology was dial-up modems. And PCMCIA cards to connect to WiFi. Haven’t had much use of that lately.
ldng 6y ago
You have a point about ageism, but you also make quite a condescending mistake of your own. You could have say "less tech savvy" than "dumber than average". It is not because you don't master something that you did not use before that you are dumb.
aboringusername 6y ago
I edited the comment, you make a good point. My bias is that in my experience the elderly tends to struggle the most as it wasn't common in their day, but point duly noted.
cosmodisk 6y ago
Absolutely agree on this. I've seen the entire spectrum by now: kids,who literally grew up with computers in their hands, not being able to operate simple software and people way past retirement age doing complex 'magic' on their PCs
- ethbr0 6y ago
  I'm not impressed by the digital native, current generations. I think a better descriptor would be "app-native" -- i.e. "I don't understand or care how anything computing works under the hood, and it'd better be tied off with a pretty bow and UI."
  - cosmodisk 6y ago
    This is a topic we discussed with a colleague earlier this week: everyone's smart to click some buttons on an app,which, even a monkey with some basic training could do, but anything outside their comfort zone is a foreign language to them. Just a few days ago got asked what's the url to login to Office 365. There doesn't seem to be any willingness to think.
    - boomboomsubban 6y ago
      As someone who hasn't touched Microsoft office in a decade, what's the URL for Office 365 seems like a fair question. Isn't it competing with Google? I assume they offer an in browser client, So yes, I have no idea how things I don't use work. This isn't that I'm unwilling to think, things are more open ended.
      - cosmodisk 6y ago
        It's not the part whether one knows or doesn't know the url fascinates me: it's a professional setting, where people are quite used to solve problems much more complex than figuring out what's the url. For me it's the thought process: What's the url? I don't know.. error... error.. error. The equivalent of this is if I'd say to someone I've read a great article on Financial Times website,and they'd reply with: sorry, I can't read it,I don't know the url..
klingon79 6y ago
How about Pat? That’s ambiguous enough.
- fortyrod 6y ago
  Or pretend you're in the southeastern US, where "Sam" and "Sue" are both non-gendered, and probably ageless, according to Mr. Cash, at least. You could also go with Courtney, Tracy, Billie, Casey, Drew...

lpriv 6y ago

Cocks are tasty