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Well no, thanks - my ad blocker works just fine. Instead of begging for support of a broken business model and/or trying to come up with technical solutions to

Well no, thanks - my ad blocker works just fine. Instead of begging for support of a broken business model and/or trying to come up with technical solutions to what is a problem in economics, find a new one that works. That’s how real businesses operate, you know?

thaeli 6y ago
Plus, if this gets widespread, it's more fuel for the link farms and typo scam sites. Why monetize your dark patterns with ads when you can directly suck money out of your users? I'm sure the payment providers will claim to police this, but we know how impossible that is at scale.
sofixa 6y ago
You're aware that we're not talking about business, right? It's for regular people who post random stuff on the Internet that would like to get something out of it and maybe one day turn it into a career. I don't mind posting whatever i've written for free, even if it has taken me tens of hours to research and write, but i also wouldn't mind being rewarded for that. There's plenty of crap on the Internet, but there's also plenty of good content. Do you think none of it deserves to get any income for the time spent and whatever costs incurred? Because the fact that a lot run ads or use medium or similar, would imply that at least a decent part of content creators would in fact prefer to gain at least some income.
- winphone1974 6y ago
  It's fine for you to spend 20 hours producing content and for me to value it at zero. Saying it looks like people prefer any money to no money is not a new or unique observation
  - abhinav22 6y ago
    This is the main thing. To make money as a business (and running a personal website is a business in that sense if you want to make money from it), you have to give something that others value. It’s not just personal websites that face this issue, everyone who wants to make money from their interests does. That’s why the world has business people and employees - both have different strengths and weaknesses
    - adam12 6y ago
      This means that we get less innovation, though.
      - beervirus 6y ago
        Having been on the internet in the 90s and now, I disagree.
      - abhinav22 6y ago
        Potentially yes. But I find a lot of people are innovating for free as well - depends on your financial circumstances and goals. Too much monetization and you get the current Google search pages - where most of the stuff on page 1 is spammy SEO material except for stack overflow
    - ryandrake 6y ago
      Maybe Posting Stuff To The Internet should not be a career or business. I'd love to get paid for posting to HN. I spend way too much time typing in my brain farts here. But it's not [ethically] monetizable, so it doesn't matter what I'd like. You're not entitled to a way to make money from things you put effort into. If I felt like blogging on my own, I would--and I would not be trying to make a few bucks off it. I already have a few bucks.
      - abhinav22 6y ago
        Yes, posting to the internet is a great hobby for many (like me and you) and a business to others. I agree with you
- loloquwowndueo 6y ago
  Getting something $ out of it and turning into a career sure sounds like business to me.
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  > It's for regular people who post random stuff on the Internet that would like to get something out of it and maybe one day turn it into a career. The more important point is that there are honest ways of making income; shoving memetic malware at people and exposing them to Internet surveillance isn't one of them. But even in purely economic terms, regular people get peanuts for showing ads. Which is why anyone expecting to learn anything from their side publishing has a donate button or a Patreon these days.

thaeli 6y ago

Plus, if this gets widespread, it's more fuel for the link farms and typo scam sites. Why monetize your dark patterns with ads when you can directly suck money out of your users? I'm sure the payment providers will claim to police this, but we know how impossible that is at scale.

sofixa 6y ago

You're aware that we're not talking about business, right? It's for regular people who post random stuff on the Internet that would like to get something out of it and maybe one day turn it into a career. I don't mind posting whatever i've written for free, even if it has taken me tens of hours to research and write, but i also wouldn't mind being rewarded for that. There's plenty of crap on the Internet, but there's also plenty of good content. Do you think none of it deserves to get any income for the time spent and whatever costs incurred? Because the fact that a lot run ads or use medium or similar, would imply that at least a decent part of content creators would in fact prefer to gain at least some income.

winphone1974 6y ago
It's fine for you to spend 20 hours producing content and for me to value it at zero. Saying it looks like people prefer any money to no money is not a new or unique observation
- abhinav22 6y ago
  This is the main thing. To make money as a business (and running a personal website is a business in that sense if you want to make money from it), you have to give something that others value. It’s not just personal websites that face this issue, everyone who wants to make money from their interests does. That’s why the world has business people and employees - both have different strengths and weaknesses
  - adam12 6y ago
    This means that we get less innovation, though.
    - beervirus 6y ago
      Having been on the internet in the 90s and now, I disagree.
    - abhinav22 6y ago
      Potentially yes. But I find a lot of people are innovating for free as well - depends on your financial circumstances and goals. Too much monetization and you get the current Google search pages - where most of the stuff on page 1 is spammy SEO material except for stack overflow
  - ryandrake 6y ago
    Maybe Posting Stuff To The Internet should not be a career or business. I'd love to get paid for posting to HN. I spend way too much time typing in my brain farts here. But it's not [ethically] monetizable, so it doesn't matter what I'd like. You're not entitled to a way to make money from things you put effort into. If I felt like blogging on my own, I would--and I would not be trying to make a few bucks off it. I already have a few bucks.
    - abhinav22 6y ago
      Yes, posting to the internet is a great hobby for many (like me and you) and a business to others. I agree with you
loloquwowndueo 6y ago
Getting something $ out of it and turning into a career sure sounds like business to me.
TeMPOraL 6y ago
> It's for regular people who post random stuff on the Internet that would like to get something out of it and maybe one day turn it into a career. The more important point is that there are honest ways of making income; shoving memetic malware at people and exposing them to Internet surveillance isn't one of them. But even in purely economic terms, regular people get peanuts for showing ads. Which is why anyone expecting to learn anything from their side publishing has a donate button or a Patreon these days.