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Intellij allows you to install pretty much most of the features from all the other jetbrains IDEs as plugins. Additionally most of their IDE's have the ability

Intellij allows you to install pretty much most of the features from all the other jetbrains IDEs as plugins. Additionally most of their IDE's have the ability to code in several other languages seperate from the core experience. Almost all of their IDE's can for example integrate with the javascript ecosystem. I think you're making a mistake here. Essentially behind the scenes there's one jetbrains IDE. This IDE is a single platform that can take plugins and code in any language and be customizable to your hearts content. ON the surface however Jetbrains doesn't exactly release this IDE to the public. They deliver different configurations and different defaults on TOP of this IDE, then they lock it down a little and ship each one of these profiles under a different name. All these IDE's are basically different bundles of plugins running on the exact same core platform. That's why CLion is only a couple years old and still really good. It's because all Jetbrains needed to develop was a plugin and shove it into an existing ecosystem. This is no different then Vscode when you think about it. Both are coding platforms that can be plugged with new features, it's just that jetbrains locks some of this customization down and sells their IDEs with bundles of plugins that offers a better core experience. What makes Jetbrains better is this focused and higher quality bundle of features that feels cohesive. What makes jetbrains worse is that this central platform they're developing for is bloated. Everything is slow, takes forever and can lock up. If Jetbrains just did something to speed up the platform then pretty much IMO it beats anything Vscode has to offer.

KptMarchewa 6y ago
Not to their other ides, just for Intellij.
nyanpasu64 6y ago
A faster/lighter JetBrains IDE would beat everything in VSCode... except for price. CLion and WebStorm and PhpStorm cost money, there's no dedicated Rust IDE yet, and you have to pay money for CLion or (IntelliJ Ultimate) (not Community) to debug Rust programs.
- pvorb 6y ago
  And still, it's really cheap if you consider the amount of work you have to put into configuring other products like VS Code where you end up with an inferior experience. I think it pays off.
- thu2111 6y ago
  There is already a Light Mode version of IntelliJ designed to compete with Sublime Text and maybe VS Code. It's not entirely obvious that it exists and they need to market it way better, but if you run "idea whatever.txt" from the CLI and the IDE isn't already open, you'll open in light mode. It starts nearly instantly because it's not loading all the plugins and project infrastructure.
  - pvorb 6y ago
    I didn't know about light mode. I'll definitely try it out.
- Aeolun 6y ago
  For a professional, jetbrains basically pays for itself within a day of starting to use it (in my opinion). I know a lot of people prefer VS code, but I frankly cannot imagine why.
  - neonological 6y ago
    Well being free is still a benefit. And it is much faster then then any jetbrains IDE. I prefer jetbrains like you, but some people like their apps to be really snappy.
    - forsakenharmony 6y ago
      The only thing where I really perceive VS Code to be faster is startup The rest might be a tiny bit slower but it more than makes up for it with better UI/UX, code always feels a bit awkward
Aeolun 6y ago
> Almost all of their IDE's can for example integrate with the javascript ecosystem. That’s mainly because they don’t have a Javascript specific editor. I cannot even syntax highlight groovy files in PhpStorm, even though I’m paying for the full pack. But I think that is literally my only gripe with Jetbrains :)
- forsakenharmony 6y ago
  > That’s mainly because they don’t have a Javascript specific editor. I guess Webstorm doesn't exist in your book? I'm pretty sure the reason is that you might want to use the same ide for backend and frontend (e.g. GoLand, PyStorm,...)
- fomine3 6y ago
  IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate + PHP (and other) Plugin doesn't work?

KptMarchewa 6y ago

Not to their other ides, just for Intellij.

nyanpasu64 6y ago

A faster/lighter JetBrains IDE would beat everything in VSCode... except for price. CLion and WebStorm and PhpStorm cost money, there's no dedicated Rust IDE yet, and you have to pay money for CLion or (IntelliJ Ultimate) (not Community) to debug Rust programs.

pvorb 6y ago
And still, it's really cheap if you consider the amount of work you have to put into configuring other products like VS Code where you end up with an inferior experience. I think it pays off.
thu2111 6y ago
There is already a Light Mode version of IntelliJ designed to compete with Sublime Text and maybe VS Code. It's not entirely obvious that it exists and they need to market it way better, but if you run "idea whatever.txt" from the CLI and the IDE isn't already open, you'll open in light mode. It starts nearly instantly because it's not loading all the plugins and project infrastructure.
- pvorb 6y ago
  I didn't know about light mode. I'll definitely try it out.
Aeolun 6y ago
For a professional, jetbrains basically pays for itself within a day of starting to use it (in my opinion). I know a lot of people prefer VS code, but I frankly cannot imagine why.
- neonological 6y ago
  Well being free is still a benefit. And it is much faster then then any jetbrains IDE. I prefer jetbrains like you, but some people like their apps to be really snappy.
  - forsakenharmony 6y ago
    The only thing where I really perceive VS Code to be faster is startup The rest might be a tiny bit slower but it more than makes up for it with better UI/UX, code always feels a bit awkward

Aeolun 6y ago

> Almost all of their IDE's can for example integrate with the javascript ecosystem. That’s mainly because they don’t have a Javascript specific editor. I cannot even syntax highlight groovy files in PhpStorm, even though I’m paying for the full pack. But I think that is literally my only gripe with Jetbrains :)

forsakenharmony 6y ago
> That’s mainly because they don’t have a Javascript specific editor. I guess Webstorm doesn't exist in your book? I'm pretty sure the reason is that you might want to use the same ide for backend and frontend (e.g. GoLand, PyStorm,...)
fomine3 6y ago
IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate + PHP (and other) Plugin doesn't work?