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I have an imac pro. I bought it so I could make live video recordings without fan noise, and export video quickly. I bought my assistant an M1 macbook air for

by graeme 6y ago

I have an imac pro. I bought it so I could make live video recordings without fan noise, and export video quickly. I bought my assistant an M1 macbook air for editing. It is by definition quieter, and yet reliably beat my imac pro in renders! I would love a machine with ecc ram though. Way fewer random crashes since I got my imac pro. As for outputs, I’m certainly waiting for more, though the M1 mac mini isn’t terribly if you get one of those new hubs. It has ethernet, two usb c, two usb a and a dedicated power port. Yeah there’s are people using the imac pro for super crazy advanced things but many people just wanted a fast quiet computer with ports. (The imac pro is still super quiet for recordings. But the air is fanless)

Applejinx 6y ago
I literally have the 18 core Xeon iMac Pro, with 64 gigs of RAM. I bought the Macbook Pro (not the Air) with 16 gigs of RAM and 1T SSD. Not as concerned with video editing and renders. The iMac Pro can wreck the Macbook on specifically OBS software x264 encoding, while OBS is not Apple Silicon-native. Repeat, software encoding, not attempting to use the hardware chip (there can be issues streaming to YouTube using it). This is the one case I've found, of anything, where the iMac Pro wins. I tried Minecraft, as there's an M1-native version out there. My old intel Mini: 70 fps. The iMac Pro: 240 fps. The M1 Macbook: 270 fps. I'm gonna say it's rare that my M1 Macbook Pro does NOT beat my Xeon iMac Pro at four times the price, four times the RAM. Again, I literally own both. I've even found a purpose (software x264) where the M1 machine can't keep up. It's the only thing I've found so far, where the M1 isn't faster. Everything else about operating this machine is faster than the iMac Pro, which remains my primary desktop I use every day.
- spacedcowboy 6y ago
  I have both too. The M1 is fast, no doubt, but throw a big compilation project at it and it’s smoked by the iMac Pro. Parallelism trumps the M1’s smaller number of cores.
  - Applejinx 6y ago
    That's fair. I see that in software encoding to x264, in OBS (though admittedly the M1 is running under Rosetta still). The iMac Pro can reliably stream at 'slow' quality level, but the M1 can barely go above 'ultrafast' without choking. You've nailed it as far as the reason: if you can come up with a task that legitimately needs parallelism that heavy, that's where the Xeon comes into its own. Anything lighter, and the M1 starts to zip ahead.
  - 1123581321 6y ago
    What type and size of compile, and what numbers do you see?
    - spacedcowboy 6y ago
      Generally something like Mail.app or Xcode.app or some internal frameworks that can get pretty huge. Not sure if I’m comfortable disclosing numbers, but the iMac Pro is a lot faster for me in that sort of situation.
- Terretta 6y ago
  What does “literally” indicate or emphasize in this context? You used it above, and here, in a way I can’t tell if the sentence is different without the word or if I should take some meaning from it.
  - jiofih 6y ago
    Probably not the best word for it, but it’s clear he is emphasizing the fact he owns both machines, and is reporting first-hand experience and not just blurting out an “informed opinion”.
  - smoldesu 6y ago
    I think Apple users employ the word "literally" to insinuate that they don't actually own the device, but they've seen their favorite apologist tech-tubers run some comparisons and really liked what they saw.
  - graeme 6y ago
    Slang/incorrect use. Used to show emphasis. A better use would be: “I literally have the best intel mac and the m1 air beat it” In that case it is literal. OP probably just switched it over to a case where highlighting literal ownership is superfluous.
  - Applejinx 6y ago
    Bad choice, I admit. What I was driving at is, 'we're not talking about stuff I saw somebody do on youtube'
- jagger27 6y ago
  Minor nitpick: the iMac Pro running Minecraft is pushing a lot more pixels than the MacBook at similar frame rates, assuming you used the native resolution of each device. Correct me if I’m wrong.
  - Applejinx 6y ago
    I didn't. It was windowed, plus on the M1 I was running a different screen resolution so that windowed could be 1920x1080, so that was actually a larger Minecraft window than the native screen resolution (hiDPI) would allow.
- Toutouxc 6y ago
  M1 native version of Minecrat? AFAIK the Java version is, well, Java (also slow as hell), and the other (Bedrock) doesn't run on macOS.
techrat 6y ago
You had an iMac Pro. Filtering fan noise is trivial with that kind of processing power.
- graeme 6y ago
  I said > The imac pro is still super quiet for recordings. But the air is fanless I have no issue with the imac pro! Just to say the M1 does win on both counts.

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Applejinx 6y ago

I literally have the 18 core Xeon iMac Pro, with 64 gigs of RAM. I bought the Macbook Pro (not the Air) with 16 gigs of RAM and 1T SSD. Not as concerned with video editing and renders. The iMac Pro can wreck the Macbook on specifically OBS software x264 encoding, while OBS is not Apple Silicon-native. Repeat, software encoding, not attempting to use the hardware chip (there can be issues streaming to YouTube using it). This is the one case I've found, of anything, where the iMac Pro wins. I tried Minecraft, as there's an M1-native version out there. My old intel Mini: 70 fps. The iMac Pro: 240 fps. The M1 Macbook: 270 fps. I'm gonna say it's rare that my M1 Macbook Pro does NOT beat my Xeon iMac Pro at four times the price, four times the RAM. Again, I literally own both. I've even found a purpose (software x264) where the M1 machine can't keep up. It's the only thing I've found so far, where the M1 isn't faster. Everything else about operating this machine is faster than the iMac Pro, which remains my primary desktop I use every day.

spacedcowboy 6y ago
I have both too. The M1 is fast, no doubt, but throw a big compilation project at it and it’s smoked by the iMac Pro. Parallelism trumps the M1’s smaller number of cores.
- Applejinx 6y ago
  That's fair. I see that in software encoding to x264, in OBS (though admittedly the M1 is running under Rosetta still). The iMac Pro can reliably stream at 'slow' quality level, but the M1 can barely go above 'ultrafast' without choking. You've nailed it as far as the reason: if you can come up with a task that legitimately needs parallelism that heavy, that's where the Xeon comes into its own. Anything lighter, and the M1 starts to zip ahead.
- 1123581321 6y ago
  What type and size of compile, and what numbers do you see?
  - spacedcowboy 6y ago
    Generally something like Mail.app or Xcode.app or some internal frameworks that can get pretty huge. Not sure if I’m comfortable disclosing numbers, but the iMac Pro is a lot faster for me in that sort of situation.
Terretta 6y ago
What does “literally” indicate or emphasize in this context? You used it above, and here, in a way I can’t tell if the sentence is different without the word or if I should take some meaning from it.
- jiofih 6y ago
  Probably not the best word for it, but it’s clear he is emphasizing the fact he owns both machines, and is reporting first-hand experience and not just blurting out an “informed opinion”.
- smoldesu 6y ago
  I think Apple users employ the word "literally" to insinuate that they don't actually own the device, but they've seen their favorite apologist tech-tubers run some comparisons and really liked what they saw.
- graeme 6y ago
  Slang/incorrect use. Used to show emphasis. A better use would be: “I literally have the best intel mac and the m1 air beat it” In that case it is literal. OP probably just switched it over to a case where highlighting literal ownership is superfluous.
- Applejinx 6y ago
  Bad choice, I admit. What I was driving at is, 'we're not talking about stuff I saw somebody do on youtube'
jagger27 6y ago
Minor nitpick: the iMac Pro running Minecraft is pushing a lot more pixels than the MacBook at similar frame rates, assuming you used the native resolution of each device. Correct me if I’m wrong.
- Applejinx 6y ago
  I didn't. It was windowed, plus on the M1 I was running a different screen resolution so that windowed could be 1920x1080, so that was actually a larger Minecraft window than the native screen resolution (hiDPI) would allow.
Toutouxc 6y ago
M1 native version of Minecrat? AFAIK the Java version is, well, Java (also slow as hell), and the other (Bedrock) doesn't run on macOS.

techrat 6y ago

You had an iMac Pro. Filtering fan noise is trivial with that kind of processing power.

graeme 6y ago
I said > The imac pro is still super quiet for recordings. But the air is fanless I have no issue with the imac pro! Just to say the M1 does win on both counts.