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The article spends a lot of time on mentioning that things like Twilight and One Direction are looked down upon, before finally explaining what the problem here

The article spends a lot of time on mentioning that things like Twilight and One Direction are looked down upon, before finally explaining what the problem here actually is. This quote from the screenwriter of the Twilight movies really gets the point through: > "We've seen more than our fair share of bad action movies, bad movies geared toward men or 13-year-old boys. And you know, the reviews are like ‘OK that was crappy, but a fun ride.' But no one says ‘Oh my god. If you go to see this movie you're a complete xxxxing idiot.' And that's the tone. That is the tone with which people attack 'Twilight'."

tgv 6y ago
How can you believe you're automatically owed respect when something vaguely similar gets it? It's not as if everything that gets love from teenage girls is hated. E.g., they loved The Beatles and ABBA back in the day, and these are not hated, as far as I can tell.
- jasode 6y ago
  >It's not as if everything that gets love from teenage girls is hated. E.g., they loved The Beatles and ABBA back in the day, and these are not hated, That's not true. The Beatles were also hated in 1960s by the older generation that preferred the previous 1950s & 1940s artists such as Elvis, Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, etc. You can google for contemporaneous criticism of the time and you'll see plenty of examples such "rubbish ... tiresome..." : https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/01/rubbish-tiresome-whoa-yuk-the-beatles-early-haters/282784/ https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/01/ru... EDIT to reply: We're talking about things hated by the same generation here. The journalist of this article Laura Moss graduated from college 2005 so she was about ~25 -- so not a teenager -- when the Twilight movie came out in 2008. Also, she would have been in her ~30s when the music band One Direction was at their peak. In her text, she's referring to "teens" in the 3rd person and not talking about herself.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    >That's not true. The Beatles were also hated in 1960s by the older generation Which is neither here, nor there. We're talking about things hated by the same generation here.
  - tgv 6y ago
    The article is not about the generation gap. Older generations also hated Superman and Spiderman and Star Wars. While people may have mocked the emotion surrounding the breaking up of the Beatles (something conspicuously absent when ABBA called it a day), their music was shared by many, and still is. It's simply not true that > "Because once teenage girls start liking something, it's over." > "We hate everything they love, on principle." The entire article's tenet is: it's because they are women. Why it doesn't extend to other age groups? No explanation. And the idea that Twilight simply is garbage never even comes up. At best it's playing the victim, or pushing cultural relativism, at worst it's an attempt at driving the political division deeper.
Firebrand 6y ago
People who enjoy comic book movies are constantly talked down to by others for enjoying them. The diehard DC comic fans who started the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut campaign and pooled their money together to buy billboards during Comic-Con were called similar things by the rest of the Internet for doing so.
- pjc50 6y ago
  Comic book movies are in a weird space where they completely dominate the advertising and big studio budgets, yet somehow without being "cool".
  - rangibaby 6y ago
    Coca Cola and McDonald’s advertise and sell a lot, and I don’t think anyone would accuse them of being cool.
    - leetcrew 6y ago
      coca cola is about as "cool" as a beverage can be without containing alcohol. mcdonald's I'd agree on.
      - snovv_crash 6y ago
        I'd argue Red Bull is much cooler.
        dzhiurgis 6y ago
        Which is controlled substance in some parts of Europe
    - ben_w 6y ago
      At the (novel for me) risk of showing my age, they certainly used to be: https://youtu.be/MpizkWEmg1g https://youtu.be/MpizkWEmg1g
- 6y ago
globular-toast 6y ago
If you go to see the latest Transformers you're a complete xxxxing idiot. There, I said it. I think the author is just looking in the wrong places.
emsy 6y ago
That’s because usually, boys don’t go on the internet and peddle their crappy action movies so much so that you get in contact with them whether you like it or not. Add to that the inward and outward flowing toxicity these fandoms seem to produce. They also are extremely powerful and concentrated. Just this week the BTS (a K-Pop band) fandom in Germany wanted to cancel radio host over a remark they deemed racist. I can’t remember the last time 14 year old boys initiated an outrage mob.
- pjc50 6y ago
  > peddle their crappy action movies so much so that you get in contact with them whether you like it or not Marvel? > I can’t remember the last time 14 year old boys initiated an outrage mob. Gamergate?
- ChefboyOG 6y ago
  ...what? The history of mob-dynamic, targeted harassments on the internet is, generously, uniformly distributed across gender. See: 4chan/the web in general, prior to very recent history. Even if we scope it down specifically to fandoms engaging in targeted harassment campaigns, see: Gamergate, Star Wars, the insane fandoms of YouTubers like Logan Paul and PewDiePie.
  - imbnwa 6y ago
    Don't forget that time Reddit figured out who the Boston marathon bomber was
- candybar 6y ago
  > Just this week the BTS (a K-Pop band) fandom in Germany wanted to cancel radio host over a remark they deemed racist. I can’t remember the last time 14 year old boys initiated an outrage mob. This is a bizarre take given the actual remark. This would've been widely condemned regardless and the overall reaction to this has nothing to do with the age of the fans of BTS. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/eleanorbate/bts-german-radio-host-coronavirus-racism-apology https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/eleanorbate/bts-german-... > "Dear teenagers who are listening: Please take no offense," Matuschik said, per a translation uploaded to YouTube. "But personally, I think that BTS is... Let me put it like this: BTS is like SARS." > "It's an abbreviation for some fucking virus that we'll hopefully have a vaccine for soon as well," he continued. > Matuschik went on to argue that he has "nothing against South Korea," and couldn't be called xenophobic because he owns a South Korean car. (According to Teen Vogue, one look at Matuschik's now-deleted Instagram account showed photos of his Daihatsu Copen, which is made in Japan.) > "These little suckers brag with their cover of 'Fix You' by Coldplay," he said. "To which I respond: That's blasphemy... For doing that, you should have to spend a 20-year-long vacation in North Korea."
brightball 6y ago
Was forced to watch the Twilight movies. They named the child Renesmee... Some criticism is valid. The movies are bad. I can’t speak for the books...but the movies are very bad. I think it was the 3rd movie that I’ll say is the 2nd worst movie I’ve ever seen. There are plenty of things that teenage girls like that don’t fall in the category of Twilight. Buffy the Vampire Slayer just as an example. Very similar premise but executed with a great story and acting. Twilight movies are just bad. It’s a valid criticism.
- stu2b50 6y ago
  It's not about criticism of the movie, it's about where you make the judgement that the people who watch it are "idiots".
klmadfejno 6y ago
> "We've seen more than our fair share of bad action movies, bad movies geared toward men or 13-year-old boys. And you know, the reviews are like ‘OK that was crappy, but a fun ride.' But no one says ‘Oh my god. If you go to see this movie you're a complete xxxxing idiot.' And that's the tone. That is the tone with which people attack 'Twilight'." People say this about boyish movies all the time. I never read the twilight books, but I did see, what I think was the last movie. I recall two things about it. One was a hilariously PG sex scene with visual sparkles to imply an orgasm. The other was a long, hilariously cheap fight scene where every other character got rapidly decapitated.

tgv 6y ago

How can you believe you're automatically owed respect when something vaguely similar gets it? It's not as if everything that gets love from teenage girls is hated. E.g., they loved The Beatles and ABBA back in the day, and these are not hated, as far as I can tell.

jasode 6y ago
>It's not as if everything that gets love from teenage girls is hated. E.g., they loved The Beatles and ABBA back in the day, and these are not hated, That's not true. The Beatles were also hated in 1960s by the older generation that preferred the previous 1950s & 1940s artists such as Elvis, Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, etc. You can google for contemporaneous criticism of the time and you'll see plenty of examples such "rubbish ... tiresome..." : https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/01/rubbish-tiresome-whoa-yuk-the-beatles-early-haters/282784/ https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/01/ru... EDIT to reply: We're talking about things hated by the same generation here. The journalist of this article Laura Moss graduated from college 2005 so she was about ~25 -- so not a teenager -- when the Twilight movie came out in 2008. Also, she would have been in her ~30s when the music band One Direction was at their peak. In her text, she's referring to "teens" in the 3rd person and not talking about herself.
- coldtea 6y ago
  >That's not true. The Beatles were also hated in 1960s by the older generation Which is neither here, nor there. We're talking about things hated by the same generation here.
- tgv 6y ago
  The article is not about the generation gap. Older generations also hated Superman and Spiderman and Star Wars. While people may have mocked the emotion surrounding the breaking up of the Beatles (something conspicuously absent when ABBA called it a day), their music was shared by many, and still is. It's simply not true that > "Because once teenage girls start liking something, it's over." > "We hate everything they love, on principle." The entire article's tenet is: it's because they are women. Why it doesn't extend to other age groups? No explanation. And the idea that Twilight simply is garbage never even comes up. At best it's playing the victim, or pushing cultural relativism, at worst it's an attempt at driving the political division deeper.

Firebrand 6y ago

People who enjoy comic book movies are constantly talked down to by others for enjoying them. The diehard DC comic fans who started the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut campaign and pooled their money together to buy billboards during Comic-Con were called similar things by the rest of the Internet for doing so.

pjc50 6y ago
Comic book movies are in a weird space where they completely dominate the advertising and big studio budgets, yet somehow without being "cool".
- rangibaby 6y ago
  Coca Cola and McDonald’s advertise and sell a lot, and I don’t think anyone would accuse them of being cool.
  - leetcrew 6y ago
    coca cola is about as "cool" as a beverage can be without containing alcohol. mcdonald's I'd agree on.
    - snovv_crash 6y ago
      I'd argue Red Bull is much cooler.
      - dzhiurgis 6y ago
        Which is controlled substance in some parts of Europe
  - ben_w 6y ago
    At the (novel for me) risk of showing my age, they certainly used to be: https://youtu.be/MpizkWEmg1g https://youtu.be/MpizkWEmg1g
6y ago

globular-toast 6y ago

If you go to see the latest Transformers you're a complete xxxxing idiot. There, I said it. I think the author is just looking in the wrong places.

emsy 6y ago

That’s because usually, boys don’t go on the internet and peddle their crappy action movies so much so that you get in contact with them whether you like it or not. Add to that the inward and outward flowing toxicity these fandoms seem to produce. They also are extremely powerful and concentrated. Just this week the BTS (a K-Pop band) fandom in Germany wanted to cancel radio host over a remark they deemed racist. I can’t remember the last time 14 year old boys initiated an outrage mob.

pjc50 6y ago
> peddle their crappy action movies so much so that you get in contact with them whether you like it or not Marvel? > I can’t remember the last time 14 year old boys initiated an outrage mob. Gamergate?
ChefboyOG 6y ago
...what? The history of mob-dynamic, targeted harassments on the internet is, generously, uniformly distributed across gender. See: 4chan/the web in general, prior to very recent history. Even if we scope it down specifically to fandoms engaging in targeted harassment campaigns, see: Gamergate, Star Wars, the insane fandoms of YouTubers like Logan Paul and PewDiePie.
- imbnwa 6y ago
  Don't forget that time Reddit figured out who the Boston marathon bomber was
candybar 6y ago
> Just this week the BTS (a K-Pop band) fandom in Germany wanted to cancel radio host over a remark they deemed racist. I can’t remember the last time 14 year old boys initiated an outrage mob. This is a bizarre take given the actual remark. This would've been widely condemned regardless and the overall reaction to this has nothing to do with the age of the fans of BTS. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/eleanorbate/bts-german-radio-host-coronavirus-racism-apology https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/eleanorbate/bts-german-... > "Dear teenagers who are listening: Please take no offense," Matuschik said, per a translation uploaded to YouTube. "But personally, I think that BTS is... Let me put it like this: BTS is like SARS." > "It's an abbreviation for some fucking virus that we'll hopefully have a vaccine for soon as well," he continued. > Matuschik went on to argue that he has "nothing against South Korea," and couldn't be called xenophobic because he owns a South Korean car. (According to Teen Vogue, one look at Matuschik's now-deleted Instagram account showed photos of his Daihatsu Copen, which is made in Japan.) > "These little suckers brag with their cover of 'Fix You' by Coldplay," he said. "To which I respond: That's blasphemy... For doing that, you should have to spend a 20-year-long vacation in North Korea."

brightball 6y ago

Was forced to watch the Twilight movies. They named the child Renesmee... Some criticism is valid. The movies are bad. I can’t speak for the books...but the movies are very bad. I think it was the 3rd movie that I’ll say is the 2nd worst movie I’ve ever seen. There are plenty of things that teenage girls like that don’t fall in the category of Twilight. Buffy the Vampire Slayer just as an example. Very similar premise but executed with a great story and acting. Twilight movies are just bad. It’s a valid criticism.

stu2b50 6y ago
It's not about criticism of the movie, it's about where you make the judgement that the people who watch it are "idiots".

klmadfejno 6y ago

> "We've seen more than our fair share of bad action movies, bad movies geared toward men or 13-year-old boys. And you know, the reviews are like ‘OK that was crappy, but a fun ride.' But no one says ‘Oh my god. If you go to see this movie you're a complete xxxxing idiot.' And that's the tone. That is the tone with which people attack 'Twilight'." People say this about boyish movies all the time. I never read the twilight books, but I did see, what I think was the last movie. I recall two things about it. One was a hilariously PG sex scene with visual sparkles to imply an orgasm. The other was a long, hilariously cheap fight scene where every other character got rapidly decapitated.