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What makes you think their speech isn’t policed as well? Is your victimhood that ingrained that you believe the other side doesn’t play by the rules, they’re on

What makes you think their speech isn’t policed as well? Is your victimhood that ingrained that you believe the other side doesn’t play by the rules, they’re only out to get you? I assure you the “woke left” polices their own —- it’s a constant source of tension between unity of political power and unity of beliefs. Coke? Why not? It does me no harm at all.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
I'm sure the groups you're calling the "woke left" have intramural disputes about what's right to say. But I'm also quite confident that they have no general interest in making people comfortable. Indeed, most argue that people who don't think like them should be uncomfortable, because that discomfort will help enact social changes they'd like to see.
- dane-pgp 6y ago
  > because that discomfort will help enact social changes they'd like to see. Yes, and they completely miss the fact that when other people make them feel uncomfortable, they don't respond by falling in line with the majority way of thinking, but instead react by becoming more radical or even violent.
  - relaxing 6y ago
    Well of course. If you believe the status quo is unjust and want it to change, why would you fall in line with majority way of thinking?
    - dane-pgp 6y ago
      I don't dispute the logic of people wanting to change an unjust status quo, I'm just trying to see the bigger picture, that the side supporting the status quo is worried that certain changes would cause society to degrade or become unstable. There probably are cases where making people feel uncomfortable does lead to them changing their minds and accepting the position of the person making them uncomfortable, but I think the assumption should be that supporters of the status quo will just become more entrenched if they see people trying to make them uncomfortable, just as those working against injustice can become more committed to their cause when they face opposition.
      - relaxing 6y ago
        There is a long history of progressive social movements we can look back on for evidence. Humans, on the whole, succumb to pressure to conform. And rightly so, the alternative is antisocial; sociopathy.
- relaxing 6y ago
  I’m not sure I follow your comment in response to mine, but I think we’re agreement anyway. The utopian ideal of everyone feeling comfortable will not be reached by prioritizing the comfort of the oppressors over the oppressed.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

I'm sure the groups you're calling the "woke left" have intramural disputes about what's right to say. But I'm also quite confident that they have no general interest in making people comfortable. Indeed, most argue that people who don't think like them should be uncomfortable, because that discomfort will help enact social changes they'd like to see.

dane-pgp 6y ago
> because that discomfort will help enact social changes they'd like to see. Yes, and they completely miss the fact that when other people make them feel uncomfortable, they don't respond by falling in line with the majority way of thinking, but instead react by becoming more radical or even violent.
- relaxing 6y ago
  Well of course. If you believe the status quo is unjust and want it to change, why would you fall in line with majority way of thinking?
  - dane-pgp 6y ago
    I don't dispute the logic of people wanting to change an unjust status quo, I'm just trying to see the bigger picture, that the side supporting the status quo is worried that certain changes would cause society to degrade or become unstable. There probably are cases where making people feel uncomfortable does lead to them changing their minds and accepting the position of the person making them uncomfortable, but I think the assumption should be that supporters of the status quo will just become more entrenched if they see people trying to make them uncomfortable, just as those working against injustice can become more committed to their cause when they face opposition.
    - relaxing 6y ago
      There is a long history of progressive social movements we can look back on for evidence. Humans, on the whole, succumb to pressure to conform. And rightly so, the alternative is antisocial; sociopathy.
relaxing 6y ago
I’m not sure I follow your comment in response to mine, but I think we’re agreement anyway. The utopian ideal of everyone feeling comfortable will not be reached by prioritizing the comfort of the oppressors over the oppressed.