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On similar note, there been some articles recently saying that long covid disappeared after taking vaccine. LONG COVID PATIENTS SAY THEY FEEL BETTER AFTER GETT
by throwaway888abc 6y ago
On similar note, there been some articles recently saying that long covid disappeared after taking vaccine.
LONG COVID PATIENTS SAY THEY FEEL BETTER AFTER GETTING VACCINATED
https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/2/22308965/covid-vaccine-shots-symptoms-improve-chronic-long-haulers https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/2/22308965/covid-vaccine-sho...
- nibsfive 6y agoYeah it seems like it may reset the hyperinflammatory state.
- nradov 6y agoThe most plausible reason is that many of those reported symptoms were psychosomatic.
- bitwize 6y agoMaybe, but you can't actually say that. "Psychosomatic" reduces to "Big Pharma is telling you your very real disease is in your head" from an optics standpoint. Public interest in the putatively psychosomatic Morgellons disease spiked after Joni Mitchell said she had it. There was an outpouring of support for Mitchell, and criticism of Big Pharma, the government, and the media for not treating Morgellons with more gravity.
- Blackthorn 6y agoMy dad "had" Morgellons. The disease itself isn't real, but the symptoms were very much a part of other issues he had. The problem with labeling things as psychosomatic is that it can cover up very real suffering brought about by other, related issues.
- bsder 6y agoWhy? If someone is harboring a low grade infection because their immune system didn't rev up enough to clear the virus, getting a jab with something engineered to provoke your immune system could very well fix the issue. Also, "placebo effect" is real. "Reversion to the mean" is also real. None of those explanations are "psychosomatic".
- nradov 6y agoThere is no clinical evidence that those patients are harboring a low grade infection. If the virus was active and replicating then it would be detectible even at very low levels.
- AnthonBerg 6y agoThe statement “No clinical evidence” is directly counteracted by studies mentioned by Akiko Kiwasaki, PhD immunobiology, Professor at Yale Medical – https://mobile.twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1366067860783644676 https://mobile.twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1366067860...
- nradov 6y agoProf. Kiwasaki has posted an interesting but highly speculative hypothesis. A hypothesis is not evidence.
- tremon 6y agoHuh? I thought the placebo effect was pretty much the textbook definition of psychosomatic.
- spaetzleesser 6y agoBased on what are you making this determination? I have known people with fybromyalgia and chronic fatigue and it's outright cruel that a lot of people (including doctors) are telling them that it's only in their head.
- nradov 6y agoBased on our knowledge of how vaccines work there is no reason to think they would actually help after the active viral infection has cleared. But psychosomatic symptoms are extremely common.
- Izkata 6y agoPsychosomatic doesn't mean "only in their head". It's the opposite really, it accepting that the symptoms are real, but are being triggered or aggravated by something mental (stress, for example).
- oceanplexian 6y agoThe way to prove a psychosomatic component would be to tell a group they had COVID, then give them a harmless drug that induces some mild but harmless symptoms. Take the group off the drug and survey them in 30-90 days for long-COVID symptoms. You could also play around with control groups, for example perhaps one control group is asked not to watch or read any news programming related to COVID. I think the results would be revealing.
- lend000 6y agoThat's what doctors said about Epstein Barr patients in the 50's.
- lend000 6y agoDoes it matter which vaccine? I imagine it would since they have different mechanisms.
- beagle3 6y agoThey all provoke the immune system to generate antibodies (and T cell responses and other responses) that recognize active infections, but those go into action only when that infection is actually recognized (which can be a false positive with disastrous results - see the 2015 science article about pandemrix) They have no known mechanism of action when there are no recognized antigens. If they do, that’s new science, and applying Sagan’s Criterion: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
- lend000 6y agoConsidering autoimmune disorders are barely understood at this point (and most have very little available in terms of treatment), it isn't such an extraordinary claim.
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