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It's completely unethical to have kids and like another commenter has said brings a great disadvantage economically. I would suggest to anyone to not follow you
by abellerose 6y ago
It's completely unethical to have kids and like another commenter has said brings a great disadvantage economically. I would suggest to anyone to not follow your advice.
edit: I won't be further commenting on the topic because the same people asking everyone "when are you going to have kids like me?" are just going to downvote. Yes, I rather see an end to humankind because that ends suffering. Less suffering in a universe is better than a universe that experienced more. Yes, nobody cares about the ones that wish they never had been born because of whatever reason that was inflicted upon them.
- lainga 6y agoWhat impact do you foresee any economic gains from childlessness having in 100 years, if your advice is followed universally? Who will inherit those gains?
- abellerose 6y agoI believe the context for the advice is directed to whoever is capable of having children. So, economic gains are meaningless to them when they're dead in 100 years.
- lainga 6y agoPut another way: let's say everyone who is capable of children follows your advice. To whom are these economic gains meaningful in 100 years? Who would their parents be?
- abellerose 6y agoWhat you're implying is meaningless to the ones that are dead. So maybe you can now realize why I wrote my response and it was directed towards anyone considering conceiving a child.
- lainga 6y agoOK, from a pure hedonistic view - let's say at some time in the future, there are no more humans left. Why would it make sense to invest anything into economic gain in the time before that happens? You'd rather run the economy into the ground to extract as much value as you could from it, before the end of human existence. You - or else someone else who is the last human alive - are "leaving something on the table", so to speak. Otherwise they are just leaving value around for wildlife. In other words there would be a time, maybe dependent on the rate at which remaining humans can unwind the human economy, past which any effort at collective economic gain wouldn't be worth it.
- drakonka 6y agoI think of this as a non-issue; either my partner, or a friend, or a charity of choice will inherit my gains if I don't spend them all enjoying life first.
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- austincheney 6y agoIt's unethical to have kids? I don't follow.
- abellerose 6y agoYou might find the following interesting: https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/choosing-children-ethical-issue/ https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/choosing-children-ethical... I, for one, would never bring another life into this world and while so much suffering occurs. It's ethical to adopt contrary to conceive children.
- wwww4alll 6y agoI am certain your parents had same ideas. Until they decided to have babies. Having kids is powerful natural drive after finding suitable enough mates. Statistically, you will have children in future, if you’re under 30 right now.
- leetcrew 6y agostatistically, you will be attracted to women, if you're a man right now. and yet...
- wwww4alll 6y agoAttractive men and women will find each other and make babies, as they have done for thousands of years. Instagram, Raya, Tinder make it much easier for attractive people to find each other efficiently.
- Cederfjard 6y agoThat was my interpretation. There are some antinatalists out there.
- DoingIsLearning 6y agoCan I just say we should really stop using these 'turf' labels, the flat-earthers, the anti-vaxxers, now this 'antinatilist' label. It makes it seem like a binomial thing, you are either in my group or in the other. Discussion stops being about the ideas and more adversarial, focused on taking sides. Also it creates a group identity which in my opinion makes it harder for people to change their minds based on discussion or new info. If my aunt tells me vaccines are bad I might trust her. But if there is whole group of 'anti-vaxxer' people who make me feel good about myself then I suppose I am now an anti-vaxxer and that becomes an identity more so than an opinion which would be more fluid and mutable.
- shaneprrlt 6y agoThe antinatalist point of view is incredibly damaging to the long term progress of our species.
- harperlee 6y agoSeeing as a big chuck of what someone believes is culturally inherited from their parents, and thus hypothesizing that meme* survival partially follows parent-child relationships, I'd say that that's a problem that will end up self-correcting :) * In the original Richard Dawkins sense, not in the funny gif sense.
- wwww4alll 6y agoYou would think this is the case. But yet, they keep on reproducing while complaining bitterly about it. Above commenter will likely have children very shortly.
- bulek 6y agoAmusingly we have a case study for this: the Shakers. "They practice a celibate and communal lifestyle, pacifism, uniform charismatic worship, and their model of equality of the sexes, which they institutionalized in their society in the 1780s." Needless to say there's only 2 left. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers
- leetcrew 6y agoI'm not intimately familiar with all the different strains of antinatalism, but I think that's kinda the point? an antinatalist would not consider funding existing people's retirements or possibly even the survival of the species to be sufficient justification for creating new conscious beings who cannot consent to their creation.
- jimbokun 6y agoAt which point that philosophy has completely jumped the shark. The premise that the universe is somehow "better" with no conscious life is just silly sophistry.
- john_moscow 6y agoThat's what the corporations want you to believe because they want you to spend as much time and energy as possible being a cog in their machine and source the next generation of workers from the lowest bidder on the global scale.
- wwww4alll 6y agoWomen are biologically determined to have children with a man that can provide security and resources. It’s natural drive and need on the same level as breathing, eating, drinking. Men are biologically driven to have many children, from many different women, as their circumstances and resource ps allow. This is the human condition and anyone born alive accepted the EULA agreement, by being born alive.
- drakonka 6y agoDo you deny the existence of men and women who choose not to have children?
- wwww4alll 6y agoPlease go out and meet people, men, women, in real life. People go through phases. Little children think they are dinosaurs and have pretend tea parties. I’ve known several women that said they didn’t ever want kids, while dating loser college boyfriends. However, when the same women met and married successful, richer, older men, the women popped out babies left and right. People say things all the time to rationalize their circumstances. Men and women will make babies. It’s biological drive. It doesn’t matter what people believe or think. It’s how species continue and survive.
- drakonka 6y ago> Please go out and meet people, men, women, in real life. That's horrible advice, we're in a pandemic. But when it's over I would highly suggest taking your own advice. If you are really discussing in good faith and genuinely have never met or heard of a person who has chosen to go through life without having kids, to the point of legitimately not believing that such people even exist, it sounds like your world has been very small. I wish you the best of luck with expanding it.
- wwww4alll 6y agoDeflecting reality is not going to make it less real. You exist because your parents make babies. All these so called people that claim they don’t want kids exist, because their parents make babies. Men and women make babies, because it is core biological drive in reality. No amount of rationalization will change reality. Reality will bite people on their butt, one way or another. Biological drive will overcome any belief or thoughts, when circumstances become better for people.
- devmunchies 6y ago> brings a great disadvantage economically yeah but you forgot about my platinum, enterprise-grade DNA. really good for the economy as a whole. Other people are going to have kids, their kids will encounter hardships and need problem solvers among the pack. Its unethical to deprive their posterity of my web-scale® DNA.
- wwww4alll 6y agoThis could work as Tinder bio. It’s unethical to deprive future generations of my DNA.