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Gab is a joke. I got banned for making a post asking how are all the domestic terrorists Trump supporters doing after the capitol riot. I guess that is ban-wort

Gab is a joke. I got banned for making a post asking how are all the domestic terrorists Trump supporters doing after the capitol riot. I guess that is ban-worthy on their free speech network while advocating for assassinating public officials is a-ok.

jb775 6y ago
I bet it felt good to create an account for a website just so you could log in and say "how are all the domestic terrorists Trump supporters doing after the capitol riot?". That's pretty much the online equivalent of peeling-out in your car and thinking it made you look awesome.
- spamizbad 6y ago
  True but it’s also free speech and as such should be permitted on a social network oriented around free speech. Unless trolling doesn’t count as free speech?
  - gfosco 6y ago
    With that definition, would you think unlimited spam is also ok? Most likely you got reported by the community and picked up by the same sort of algorithm that exists on every other platform.
    - twooster 6y ago
      Was that comment spam, or just snark? But I guess bigotry is okay. Free speech platform so long as it doesn't step on any in-group toes.
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - encryptluks2 6y ago
      Spam would indicate some type of repetitious behavior, or unwanted advertisement. A single snarky comment generally wouldn't be considered spam. Every other platform would be fine with the comment.
  - kristopolous 6y ago
    They have their own definitions of lots of things. Free speech, as far as I can tell, to them, means they can make any claim they want, << have nobody challenge them >>, and not have to be consistent or responsible for any consequences. To them, oppression is someone challenging their claims, at all, ever. They believe it's a form of control and a violation of their core liberties. You violated that. I'm a member of DSA and volunteer for leftist anarchist groups like food not bombs. My account on gab is fine because I don't do those things. You might think debate is what gets to truth. They do not. They believe humans are fundamentally rational and if you let a thousand flowers bloom by "hearing the other side" or the "alternative facts" then the truth will rise among the multitude. In fact, they think being challenged is so oppressive and against american values that it's in the same category as totalitarianism. It's the same homo-economicus model that the free market people use. They want to be "free of coercive forces", like say, a rational counterargument so they can use their (alternative) facts and (faulty) logic to promote a "marketplace of ideas". I'm sure you've heard these phrases before. They aren't being coy, this is what they actually believe. That's why they have Alex Jones, Pizzagate, Qanon and facilitate quacks talking about free energy, time travel, mole children, etc. It's also why way out there alternative medicine about earth vibrations and celestial magnetism is part of the far right now. Remember those quack doctors and phony covid cures Trump talked about? It's also why Trump's or Marjorie Taylor Greene's behavior doesn't bother them. It's also why they think militant blood libel white nationalists are just people exercising liberties but someone telling them to use a different pronoun is A Huge Honking Problem. That's also why when you show them, say, that ping pong pizza has no basement they shrug their shoulders, almost as a challenge like "pshh, you're not going to stop me from my exercising my freedoms!" You see problems with their models? Good, me too. Dunno what to tell you. If you want to join their party you gotta play by their rules. They're actually pretty chill if you stay in these lanes.
    - encryptluks2 6y ago
      They flocked there claiming they were being censored by other social media networks saying it a bastion of free speech, yet they are censoring too for less than what many of them were banned from other platforms for. I agree with what you're saying, that as long as you kind of tow the line you're fine... but Twitter or a plethora of regular social media networks aren't going to censor me as I'm not providing nefarious health advice, threatening people, or telling minorities and people of a different sexual orientation that they are subhuman. People on Gab will say far worse, and as long as it aligns with their political beliefs it is fine with Gab. In fact, I think it aligns with the owner's beliefs based on his comments. I just wanted everyone to know it isn't a free speech platform.
- encryptluks2 6y ago
  Actually it would be more equivalent to showing up at a Blue Lives Matter event in a pig costume. There are content creators dedicated to similar content and it does make them look pretty awesome in my opinion.
steve_adams_86 6y ago
I’m not a gab user, a Republican, or even an American for that matter. But it strikes me that what the situation seems to call for is more compassion and constructive discourse, but you seemingly wanted to harass people online under the guise of free speech. I think I understand why that would lead to being banned just about anywhere. It doesn’t serve anyone in any useful way. I don’t believe they should allow advocating assassination either, but I wouldn’t pretend these things are equivalent or that gab is politically unbiased. Regardless, what you were doing was unnecessary in its own right and i don’t see how it’s much different from what you’re criticizing.
- chii 6y ago
  > i don’t see how it’s much different from what you’re criticizing. it's different because it's an intentional jab at the hyprocracy - free speech, yet bans those who don't agree with the site's concensus.
  - hiram112 6y ago
    Give me a break. Free speech means you don't get banned for talking about violations to election laws or a politician's dirty laundry or FBI crime stats or even a well referenced book highlighting differences between races. All of these are bannable offenses on current social media sites. In Gab's case, if you wanted to debate why you disagree with any of these issues, you'd not be banned if you were arguing in good faith. This is quite contrary to many leftist tech platforms these days. Free speech is not outright trolling or spamming get rich quick schemes or pumping meme stocks, as is popular of late. And it never has been. Though censorship has gotten out of hand - mostly from the left- few sites have ever allowed this type of stuff, and most worked hard to keep it off their sites.
  - steve_adams_86 6y ago
    I’m not sure why you’d expect anything different or why pointing it out to them would be of any use to you or them. Maybe it’s cathartic?
- eyelidlessness 6y ago
ainiriand 6y ago
Obvious troll is obvious.
hiram112 6y ago
Probably a difference between actual debate where people disagree and outright trolling. Your comment is the latter.
- encryptluks2 6y ago
  I'm not sure it is really outright trolling, when the FBI director said that it was indeed far-right groups that were responsible for the capitol riot and not antifa or whomever they're blaming.

jb775 6y ago

I bet it felt good to create an account for a website just so you could log in and say "how are all the domestic terrorists Trump supporters doing after the capitol riot?". That's pretty much the online equivalent of peeling-out in your car and thinking it made you look awesome.

spamizbad 6y ago
True but it’s also free speech and as such should be permitted on a social network oriented around free speech. Unless trolling doesn’t count as free speech?
- gfosco 6y ago
  With that definition, would you think unlimited spam is also ok? Most likely you got reported by the community and picked up by the same sort of algorithm that exists on every other platform.
  - twooster 6y ago
    Was that comment spam, or just snark? But I guess bigotry is okay. Free speech platform so long as it doesn't step on any in-group toes.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - encryptluks2 6y ago
    Spam would indicate some type of repetitious behavior, or unwanted advertisement. A single snarky comment generally wouldn't be considered spam. Every other platform would be fine with the comment.
- kristopolous 6y ago
  They have their own definitions of lots of things. Free speech, as far as I can tell, to them, means they can make any claim they want, << have nobody challenge them >>, and not have to be consistent or responsible for any consequences. To them, oppression is someone challenging their claims, at all, ever. They believe it's a form of control and a violation of their core liberties. You violated that. I'm a member of DSA and volunteer for leftist anarchist groups like food not bombs. My account on gab is fine because I don't do those things. You might think debate is what gets to truth. They do not. They believe humans are fundamentally rational and if you let a thousand flowers bloom by "hearing the other side" or the "alternative facts" then the truth will rise among the multitude. In fact, they think being challenged is so oppressive and against american values that it's in the same category as totalitarianism. It's the same homo-economicus model that the free market people use. They want to be "free of coercive forces", like say, a rational counterargument so they can use their (alternative) facts and (faulty) logic to promote a "marketplace of ideas". I'm sure you've heard these phrases before. They aren't being coy, this is what they actually believe. That's why they have Alex Jones, Pizzagate, Qanon and facilitate quacks talking about free energy, time travel, mole children, etc. It's also why way out there alternative medicine about earth vibrations and celestial magnetism is part of the far right now. Remember those quack doctors and phony covid cures Trump talked about? It's also why Trump's or Marjorie Taylor Greene's behavior doesn't bother them. It's also why they think militant blood libel white nationalists are just people exercising liberties but someone telling them to use a different pronoun is A Huge Honking Problem. That's also why when you show them, say, that ping pong pizza has no basement they shrug their shoulders, almost as a challenge like "pshh, you're not going to stop me from my exercising my freedoms!" You see problems with their models? Good, me too. Dunno what to tell you. If you want to join their party you gotta play by their rules. They're actually pretty chill if you stay in these lanes.
  - encryptluks2 6y ago
    They flocked there claiming they were being censored by other social media networks saying it a bastion of free speech, yet they are censoring too for less than what many of them were banned from other platforms for. I agree with what you're saying, that as long as you kind of tow the line you're fine... but Twitter or a plethora of regular social media networks aren't going to censor me as I'm not providing nefarious health advice, threatening people, or telling minorities and people of a different sexual orientation that they are subhuman. People on Gab will say far worse, and as long as it aligns with their political beliefs it is fine with Gab. In fact, I think it aligns with the owner's beliefs based on his comments. I just wanted everyone to know it isn't a free speech platform.
encryptluks2 6y ago
Actually it would be more equivalent to showing up at a Blue Lives Matter event in a pig costume. There are content creators dedicated to similar content and it does make them look pretty awesome in my opinion.

steve_adams_86 6y ago

I’m not a gab user, a Republican, or even an American for that matter. But it strikes me that what the situation seems to call for is more compassion and constructive discourse, but you seemingly wanted to harass people online under the guise of free speech. I think I understand why that would lead to being banned just about anywhere. It doesn’t serve anyone in any useful way. I don’t believe they should allow advocating assassination either, but I wouldn’t pretend these things are equivalent or that gab is politically unbiased. Regardless, what you were doing was unnecessary in its own right and i don’t see how it’s much different from what you’re criticizing.

chii 6y ago
> i don’t see how it’s much different from what you’re criticizing. it's different because it's an intentional jab at the hyprocracy - free speech, yet bans those who don't agree with the site's concensus.
- hiram112 6y ago
  Give me a break. Free speech means you don't get banned for talking about violations to election laws or a politician's dirty laundry or FBI crime stats or even a well referenced book highlighting differences between races. All of these are bannable offenses on current social media sites. In Gab's case, if you wanted to debate why you disagree with any of these issues, you'd not be banned if you were arguing in good faith. This is quite contrary to many leftist tech platforms these days. Free speech is not outright trolling or spamming get rich quick schemes or pumping meme stocks, as is popular of late. And it never has been. Though censorship has gotten out of hand - mostly from the left- few sites have ever allowed this type of stuff, and most worked hard to keep it off their sites.
- steve_adams_86 6y ago
  I’m not sure why you’d expect anything different or why pointing it out to them would be of any use to you or them. Maybe it’s cathartic?
eyelidlessness 6y ago

ainiriand 6y ago

Obvious troll is obvious.

hiram112 6y ago

Probably a difference between actual debate where people disagree and outright trolling. Your comment is the latter.

encryptluks2 6y ago
I'm not sure it is really outright trolling, when the FBI director said that it was indeed far-right groups that were responsible for the capitol riot and not antifa or whomever they're blaming.