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I basically stopped playing games around 2008 when I graduated uni. This was a time when I found other interests, didn't have time for games, and when mobile de

I basically stopped playing games around 2008 when I graduated uni. This was a time when I found other interests, didn't have time for games, and when mobile devices started taking over the world. If nothing in my life changed, I'd have been driven from gaming anyway by IAP and micropayments. The piece is obviously sarcastic but has some grains of truth (I personally see more than just grains...). I think that it's important to remove any sort of misogyny, racism, and any other toxic things from technology. I just don't see how this piece has any of that.

gotostatement 6y ago
> I just don't see how this piece has any of that. That's because it doesn't. This whole thing stinks of the same type of bad faith as when people try to smear leftist politicians as being sexist, racist, or anti-semitic (they even geared up to try to call Bernie, a Jewish person, anti-semitic, but I guess that was too ridiculous to stick). We're going to see this a lot going forward - the language of anti-oppression being misused to defend an abusive status quo, by people who benefit from it.
- CryptoPunk 6y ago
  >This whole thing stinks of the same type of bad faith as when people try to smear leftist politicians as being sexist, racist, or anti-semitic Leftist politicians can be all of those things..
  - gotostatement 6y ago
    I used the word "smear." That means that people attempt to make attacks that are specious and appear to be in bad faith in order to tarnish their reputation. That this happens is true regardless of whether there is other legitimate evidence or good faith accusations of bad behavior.
    - CryptoPunk 6y ago
      In that case, why single out leftist politicians? The same tactic is used against right-wing politicians.
      - harry8 6y ago
        Sadly because many of the politicians on the so-called right at present are unlikely to have their power limited by fully justified accusations of sexism, racism etc. Other smears may work there but not those ones, it would seem. [1] And that's great, stupid smears are ineffective! What is not so good is solid evidence of serious racism and misogyny is also ineffective. Historically there have been plenty of politicians closer to the so-called right who would have the power diminished by being foul. There may well be still in certain areas. What would be nice is if A good take a little of the good sense from B and B a little of the good sense from A. What we have isn't that, whatever labels you put on various "sides". [1] "Jewish space laser" for example. That may not be a smear.
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    Examples please... and don't say "Adam Schiff".
    - deleted 6y ago
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- tehjoker 6y ago
  They also pull out this trick in reverse to defend vile centrists like Neera Tanden where they use her identity and record of having received federal benefits to pose her as someone that would defend them rather than someone dedicated to destroying those programs, who attacked an employee, who outed an employee who was sexually assaulted, and suggested stealing Libya's oil to pay for bombing them. She might not be getting her nomination, but it's a great example of the tactic in action.
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    Don't forget the union busting! Tanden is notable only for her poor social media discipline. There are a hundred less progressive officials in the new administration, who happen to be circumspect enough to take money from Middle Eastern dictators without rivaling Trump in Twitter foolishness.
    - spiralx 6y ago
      What union busting? ThinkProgress and CAP were both unionised.
      - jessaustin 6y ago
        What "ThinkProgress" do you mean? This one [0], at which the most recent article is from September 2019? That was indeed a union shop, which was cited by Tanden in an internal email as the reason she closed it down. [1] Maybe we should credit her for not calling in Pinkerton assassins, but closing down a workplace because of its union is precisely "union busting". [0] https://thinkprogress.org/ https://thinkprogress.org/ [1] https://splinternews.com/the-center-for-american-progress-is-a-disgrace-1838008313 https://splinternews.com/the-center-for-american-progress-is...
- goatinaboat 6y ago
  when people try to smear leftist politicians as being sexist, racist, or anti-semitic Of course they always, are innocent of such things, always, and never sexually harass their staff either, nor dress up in blackface. All such allegations are lies, I tell you, lies! Now those dirty right-wingers, you don’t even need proof or a single credible witness, of course they did it... /s
- shinsheel 6y ago
  Bernie was USSR supporter, explicitly anti-semitic state with anti-jew affirmative action. Okay, he's not an antisemite, he just supported totalitarian antisemitic regime.
- gitrog 6y ago
  The weirdest thing for me here, is that most of the noise against the piece seems to have been made on twitter by people who probably identify as "leftists", solely because it punches down on some demographic. I'm still trying to ascertain which demographic that is, it's really not clear.
  - zimpenfish 6y ago
    https://archive.md/VpYl2#selection-4573.0-4573.260 https://archive.md/VpYl2#selection-4573.0-4573.260 is linked near the top of the comments and contains this: > In isolation that’s just meh. In a context where mobile players got trashed all the bloody time for being fake gamers, casuals, mindless whales, or worst of all, women? In a context of tech people often being elitist “core” gamers? Woops, you’re punching down.
    - woko 6y ago
      That reads like something I would write if I wanted to troll the Godot project and could not find any actual point to attack. Poe's law is at work once again. I cannot take this sentence seriously: > "mobile gamers got trashed all the [...] time for being [...] women" Plus, Godot's text is about practices preying on mobile gamers (you can find these practices on PC too, but it is more common on mobile platforms), so it is criticizing mobile gaming (and the companies behind the predatory practices) rather than mobile gamers. So the quoted sentence about "mobile gamers" looks like a straw-man, which goes in favour of a trolling attempt.
    - sharpneli 6y ago
      Considering that the satirical doc criticized the agressive monetization that predominantly affects mobile gamers I find it hard to see how that is trashing mobile gamers. Or is it so that if I criticize something that affects some group not specifically me it's actually punching down? It's not possible to criticize something that's being done to a group without it being a criticism of that group? This is absolutely brilliant. PR departments must love this.
      - 6y ago
- spiralx 6y ago
  "Any criticisms of leftist politicians are bad faith smears by oppressors defending the status quo." "Any criticisms of Trump are bad faith smears by the Deep State defending the status quo." Hmm.
  - gotostatement 6y ago
    Nowhere in my comment does it say or imply "any criticisms are smears." All I said is that people do use bad faith smears.
  - unethical_ban 6y ago
    Your analysis of his sentence is completely incorrect.

gotostatement 6y ago

> I just don't see how this piece has any of that. That's because it doesn't. This whole thing stinks of the same type of bad faith as when people try to smear leftist politicians as being sexist, racist, or anti-semitic (they even geared up to try to call Bernie, a Jewish person, anti-semitic, but I guess that was too ridiculous to stick). We're going to see this a lot going forward - the language of anti-oppression being misused to defend an abusive status quo, by people who benefit from it.

CryptoPunk 6y ago
>This whole thing stinks of the same type of bad faith as when people try to smear leftist politicians as being sexist, racist, or anti-semitic Leftist politicians can be all of those things..
- gotostatement 6y ago
  I used the word "smear." That means that people attempt to make attacks that are specious and appear to be in bad faith in order to tarnish their reputation. That this happens is true regardless of whether there is other legitimate evidence or good faith accusations of bad behavior.
  - CryptoPunk 6y ago
    In that case, why single out leftist politicians? The same tactic is used against right-wing politicians.
    - harry8 6y ago
      Sadly because many of the politicians on the so-called right at present are unlikely to have their power limited by fully justified accusations of sexism, racism etc. Other smears may work there but not those ones, it would seem. [1] And that's great, stupid smears are ineffective! What is not so good is solid evidence of serious racism and misogyny is also ineffective. Historically there have been plenty of politicians closer to the so-called right who would have the power diminished by being foul. There may well be still in certain areas. What would be nice is if A good take a little of the good sense from B and B a little of the good sense from A. What we have isn't that, whatever labels you put on various "sides". [1] "Jewish space laser" for example. That may not be a smear.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  Examples please... and don't say "Adam Schiff".
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
tehjoker 6y ago
They also pull out this trick in reverse to defend vile centrists like Neera Tanden where they use her identity and record of having received federal benefits to pose her as someone that would defend them rather than someone dedicated to destroying those programs, who attacked an employee, who outed an employee who was sexually assaulted, and suggested stealing Libya's oil to pay for bombing them. She might not be getting her nomination, but it's a great example of the tactic in action.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  Don't forget the union busting! Tanden is notable only for her poor social media discipline. There are a hundred less progressive officials in the new administration, who happen to be circumspect enough to take money from Middle Eastern dictators without rivaling Trump in Twitter foolishness.
  - spiralx 6y ago
    What union busting? ThinkProgress and CAP were both unionised.
    - jessaustin 6y ago
      What "ThinkProgress" do you mean? This one [0], at which the most recent article is from September 2019? That was indeed a union shop, which was cited by Tanden in an internal email as the reason she closed it down. [1] Maybe we should credit her for not calling in Pinkerton assassins, but closing down a workplace because of its union is precisely "union busting". [0] https://thinkprogress.org/ https://thinkprogress.org/ [1] https://splinternews.com/the-center-for-american-progress-is-a-disgrace-1838008313 https://splinternews.com/the-center-for-american-progress-is...
goatinaboat 6y ago
when people try to smear leftist politicians as being sexist, racist, or anti-semitic Of course they always, are innocent of such things, always, and never sexually harass their staff either, nor dress up in blackface. All such allegations are lies, I tell you, lies! Now those dirty right-wingers, you don’t even need proof or a single credible witness, of course they did it... /s
shinsheel 6y ago
Bernie was USSR supporter, explicitly anti-semitic state with anti-jew affirmative action. Okay, he's not an antisemite, he just supported totalitarian antisemitic regime.
gitrog 6y ago
The weirdest thing for me here, is that most of the noise against the piece seems to have been made on twitter by people who probably identify as "leftists", solely because it punches down on some demographic. I'm still trying to ascertain which demographic that is, it's really not clear.
- zimpenfish 6y ago
  https://archive.md/VpYl2#selection-4573.0-4573.260 https://archive.md/VpYl2#selection-4573.0-4573.260 is linked near the top of the comments and contains this: > In isolation that’s just meh. In a context where mobile players got trashed all the bloody time for being fake gamers, casuals, mindless whales, or worst of all, women? In a context of tech people often being elitist “core” gamers? Woops, you’re punching down.
  - woko 6y ago
    That reads like something I would write if I wanted to troll the Godot project and could not find any actual point to attack. Poe's law is at work once again. I cannot take this sentence seriously: > "mobile gamers got trashed all the [...] time for being [...] women" Plus, Godot's text is about practices preying on mobile gamers (you can find these practices on PC too, but it is more common on mobile platforms), so it is criticizing mobile gaming (and the companies behind the predatory practices) rather than mobile gamers. So the quoted sentence about "mobile gamers" looks like a straw-man, which goes in favour of a trolling attempt.
  - sharpneli 6y ago
    Considering that the satirical doc criticized the agressive monetization that predominantly affects mobile gamers I find it hard to see how that is trashing mobile gamers. Or is it so that if I criticize something that affects some group not specifically me it's actually punching down? It's not possible to criticize something that's being done to a group without it being a criticism of that group? This is absolutely brilliant. PR departments must love this.
    - 6y ago
spiralx 6y ago
"Any criticisms of leftist politicians are bad faith smears by oppressors defending the status quo." "Any criticisms of Trump are bad faith smears by the Deep State defending the status quo." Hmm.
- gotostatement 6y ago
  Nowhere in my comment does it say or imply "any criticisms are smears." All I said is that people do use bad faith smears.
- unethical_ban 6y ago
  Your analysis of his sentence is completely incorrect.