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What I believe has happened here is that the well-pointed satire actually offended some people who have made their career doing what the satire criticizes. Thus
by gotostatement 6y ago
What I believe has happened here is that the well-pointed satire actually offended some people who have made their career doing what the satire criticizes. Thus they have mobilized all sorts of specious attacks to take it down - arguing that it is somehow contributing to sexism or elitism [0], and arguing it makes the documentation more confusing ("oh won't someone please think of the new developers!").
[0] https://twitter.com/LiaSae/status/1367074344313237507?s=20 https://twitter.com/LiaSae/status/1367074344313237507?s=20
- brailsafe 6y agoUgh. I wonder if Twitter was started from scratch today, they'd be thinking "We need a platform for all the scolds and sanctimonious people out there who have nothing better to do but correct people's thoughts.". Probably, because there's a lot of them out there.
- gotostatement 6y agooppression is real and social justice advocation is so important. that's why it's that much more infuriating when I see people like this who only are interested in social justice when it serves their own personal interests and/or vanity. they do so much harm to the image of the struggle for justice
- orthecreedence 6y agoFWIW I believe this comment is talking about the busybodies on Twitter, not the comment it is in reply to. I don't think the downvotes are warranted.
- gotostatement 6y agoI was wondering about that. yes, by "this" I meant the tweet, not the person Im replying to
- Hammershaft 6y agoIt would be helpful if people within those movements would actually push back on these kinds of overblown displays of victimhood. It would lend the movement more credibility when it tackles real issues. Unfortunately, it seems to me the structure of the movement itself makes many people too timid to actually push back against toxic behavior like this.
- valand 6y agoWhether it is an offended party or a result of the constant conditioning in some community that this kind of satire is offensive, The fact that the PR author does not even care that a piece of documentation is lost and there is no attempt to at least rewrite it is disappointing. Someone please think of the old developers
- ttt0 6y ago> the well-pointed satire actually offended some people who have made their career doing what the satire criticizes. This person is referring to the #gamergate controversy from like 6-7 years ago, I understand that much. But how does a progressive, left-leaning person go from that to being offended by a satire about capitalism? I have no clue. It's like becoming a caricature of yourself.
- gotostatement 6y agoit literally made me enraged to see someone twist feminist ideas to make an asinine point defending the status quo. I'm not sure what the answer to your question is, but I think it's something like - the person may only be left-leaning insofar as it affects their own rights, being a person from marginalized groups, but is not left-leaning to the point of opposing other forms of exploitation even when they are part of their own paycheck
- smabie 6y agoMaybe you should uhhh.. calm down?
- root_axis 6y agoThis is a pretty patronizing comment.
- smabie 6y agoYeah you're right I'm sorry it was flippant and inappropriate.
- prepend 6y agoMaybe they shouldn’t. This is such an annoying comment. GP wasn’t uncalm. By saying such a flippant statement, it seems to me that you’re denegrating GP and saying that his ideas aren’t worth talking about. As if being calm is some ideal to always maintain anyway.
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- SilverRed 6y agoI think at this point we can conclude that humor of any form no matter how tame it is, is not accepted on the internet. At least not under your real name. It just takes one person to write a rant and then its all over. Thousands of examples but a similar one was VSCode having to remove the santa hat from an icon on Christmas because someone claimed it was extremely offensive. I know I'm starting to sound like an American conspiracy theorist about the war on christmas, but the reality is that you just can't show any kind of personality, humor, or fun on the internet without putting yourself at risk.
- swayvil 6y agoPerusing what's presently successful in online comics, I note how CAREFUL they are. Survivor bias, no doubt.
- the_af 6y agoAh, "careful". Treading lightly and quietly seems like an environment in which creativity and humor can really thrive!
- hertzrat 6y agoThe most innocent humour I can think of is a goofy self deprecating slip up or remark. I could see those going out of style because they could be seen as portraying somebody or some group the wrong way, of harming people who suffered bad negative effects from such a slip up like a concussion, or even of fundamentally making fun of disabilities (or any group that “acts funny”). I guess puns might be immune. We still have puns. Unless some alt right jerk uses them as a way to make fun of Japanese people (there is a stereotype from a while back), then we lose puns too
- kergonath 6y ago> I guess puns might be immune. We still have puns. Except when someone deems the subject too serious (“how dare you make jokes about that”). So no, we don’t still have puns. What I’d like to know is why the American culture in particular seems so hostile to any form of humour. This isn’t something I have seen in other Western European countries to this extent (though it is spreading in thanks to the Internet).
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- I_Byte 6y agoMay you please upload a screenshot of the tweet? I can’t see the tweet as I don’t have an account. It appears as though the user has blocked all non-Twitter users from viewing their posts. Edit - I found an archive of the tweet https://archive.md/VpYl2 https://archive.md/VpYl2
- LudwigNagasena 6y agoIt’s impressive how similar these “let’s unpack this sweeite” people write on Twitter. Such an abhorrent monoculture of PMC who unsuccessfully try to fill their empty lives with meaning by doing weird social crusades.
- gotostatement 6y ago"woops, you punched down!"
- f6v 6y ago> In a context where mobile players got trashed all the bloody time for being ..., or worst of all, women? Is that even a thing? Never ever have I heard "mobile players = women" even on the worst dumps of the internet, like 9gag. But then again, I'm not on Twitter.
- hjek 6y agoWhether it's a thing or not, I don't think it's fair to put all that on the author of the comment. The author was making some pretty clear points about how capitalism produces meaningless addictive games. Accusing author of sexism seems like a non-sequitur to me, especially as the whole comment is completely free of any gendered pronouns, e.g. "These individuals".
- rcxdude 6y agoI've not seen a direct connection between the two (at least in terms of denigrating). It's true that there is gatekeeping of 'gaming' that tends to look down on mobile gamers (in the sense that mobile games aren't 'real games' by some arbitrary and stupid metric), and the same is also true of women gamers (though more in the sense that there's many accusations of women gamers faking interest in gaming for attention or are somehow less invested in it than 'real gamers', again by some arbitrary metric). It's also true that women make up a much larger proportion of mobile gamers than gamers on other platforms. I'm sure there are some who will (through the lenses of the other biases I've mentioned) view this as evidence that women are 'fake gamers'. I'm not too familiar with whether this is actually a common trope or not, though (I'm not in a position to receive this flack nor do I hang out in places likely to give it out). (Either way I think the argument that this means the article is intrinsicly sexist is definitely reaching. It seems the accusation of gatekeeping is more valid, though I think this requires a pretty uncharitable interpretation of something which is clearly aiming elsewhere)
- loosetypes 6y agoI’m imagining a world where writing the word “they” is banned. As in: if you don’t have something “we” to say, don’t say anything at all.
- um_ya 6y agoI've learned to just avoid people that get caught up on such petty semantics. Language is a way of conveying meaning. Hyper focusing on the words being used, diminishes time spent on the transaction of mind.
- mathgladiator 6y agoThis is key for adults. This is one reason that I generally avoid people that are put off by bad words even positive intent. Life is... when you really think about it... absurd.
- enriquto 6y ago> Hyper focusing on the words being used, diminishes time spent on the transaction of mind. On the other hand, this is the whole point of writing poetry. You focus on the particular shape of words and try to fit them to an arbitrary, meaningless, pattern.
- necovek 6y agoI think the GP was focusing on people rising to fight when "others" are offended (as opposed to "I/we are offended by this"), but it may just be my pet peeve ;)
- lucasyvas 6y agoFor what it's worth, I read it months ago. I was not offended by it, but was in agreement with others that its removal would be better because it frankly was not funny at all. It was an accurate observation, but despite best intentions, it sounded like a teenager on a rant. Not exactly a good look. Just my two cents - seems that some agree and some don't.
- inimino 6y agoWhat's not funny about a teenager on a rant?
- matheusmoreira 6y agoSo the "teenager on a rant" is right yet must still be dismissed? Why?
- gotostatement 6y ago> it sounded like a teenager on a rant It is quite typical to dismiss anti-capitalist critique as being youthful and immature
- otabdeveloper4 6y ago> satire Didn't read it that way. The text seems factually true to me.
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- kergonath 6y agoThink of the manipulative, exploitive Skinner box designers!
- forty 6y agoThanks for explaining I read the commit 3 times trying to find out what could be offending.
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