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whatshisface 6y ago
Well, if the article has statistics saying "yes," I'm not sure how far one could go on a comment that only has words saying "no."
jcims 6y ago
I didn't vote on your comment because I couldn't really parse what you were saying. So the IFS makes a poorly supported argument for immagrant family stability, is the idea that it's giving the anti-immigrant community a leverage point to turn it into a crater? edit: I figured there had to be a term for this, but couldn't find one. 'Grass Man' is proposed here - http://www.michaeldello.com/straw-man-steel-man-grass-man/ http://www.michaeldello.com/straw-man-steel-man-grass-man/
firebaze 6y ago
I despise the idea of differentiating between immigrants and natives. All people are equal. We all should be measured by equal terms. Quite often there are articles painting immigrants as innately good, which - to me - is the same racism as painting immigrants as bad.
- dbatten 6y ago
  Surely "all people are equal" does not mean "we should never do sociological research on people" or "any sociological research that finds statistical differences in how different groups of people behave is necessarily wrong and evil."
- jacob2484 6y ago
  If I immigrate to Switzerland or Singapore, I should not have all the rights that the citizens have, such as right to vote or social programs which would stress their system. Not until enough time passes and I qualify to be a citizen. Otherwise would be unfair to the natives.
  - foogazi 6y ago
    > Otherwise would be unfair to the natives. Says who ? These arbitrary rules were made up by someone, and are always subject to change. Life’s not fair
- tw04 6y ago
  >I despise the idea of differentiating between immigrants and natives. All people are equal. You seem to be confusing the words equal and same. Nothing in the article says immigrants aren't equal, it says their family dynamics are DIFFERENT. With statistics to back it up. It's no different than me saying that statistically: the average black family from alabama living in zip code 35033 consumes a different variety of food than the average hispanic family from south dakota living in zip code 57620. Nothing about that says they aren't EQUAL, but they are absolutely DIFFERENT. Calling that "racism" is a pretty blatant abuse of the term.
- foogazi 6y ago
  Immigrant here - I don’t see ANY difference between myself, Americans, Indians, Russians or Chinese I have met while working here - at the end of the day we are all people
- ahupp 6y ago
  Your comment is written as if immigrants are a homogeneous group, all identical to each other. That seems like a far more pernicious view than suggesting that they might differ (in positive ways, no less!) from natives.
- andreygrehov 6y ago
  I'm an immigrant. Culturally, we are all different.

Well, if the article has statistics saying "yes," I'm not sure how far one could go on a comment that only has words saying "no."

jcims 6y ago

I didn't vote on your comment because I couldn't really parse what you were saying. So the IFS makes a poorly supported argument for immagrant family stability, is the idea that it's giving the anti-immigrant community a leverage point to turn it into a crater? edit: I figured there had to be a term for this, but couldn't find one. 'Grass Man' is proposed here - http://www.michaeldello.com/straw-man-steel-man-grass-man/ http://www.michaeldello.com/straw-man-steel-man-grass-man/

firebaze 6y ago

I despise the idea of differentiating between immigrants and natives. All people are equal. We all should be measured by equal terms. Quite often there are articles painting immigrants as innately good, which - to me - is the same racism as painting immigrants as bad.

dbatten 6y ago
Surely "all people are equal" does not mean "we should never do sociological research on people" or "any sociological research that finds statistical differences in how different groups of people behave is necessarily wrong and evil."
jacob2484 6y ago
If I immigrate to Switzerland or Singapore, I should not have all the rights that the citizens have, such as right to vote or social programs which would stress their system. Not until enough time passes and I qualify to be a citizen. Otherwise would be unfair to the natives.
- foogazi 6y ago
  > Otherwise would be unfair to the natives. Says who ? These arbitrary rules were made up by someone, and are always subject to change. Life’s not fair
tw04 6y ago
>I despise the idea of differentiating between immigrants and natives. All people are equal. You seem to be confusing the words equal and same. Nothing in the article says immigrants aren't equal, it says their family dynamics are DIFFERENT. With statistics to back it up. It's no different than me saying that statistically: the average black family from alabama living in zip code 35033 consumes a different variety of food than the average hispanic family from south dakota living in zip code 57620. Nothing about that says they aren't EQUAL, but they are absolutely DIFFERENT. Calling that "racism" is a pretty blatant abuse of the term.
foogazi 6y ago
Immigrant here - I don’t see ANY difference between myself, Americans, Indians, Russians or Chinese I have met while working here - at the end of the day we are all people
ahupp 6y ago
Your comment is written as if immigrants are a homogeneous group, all identical to each other. That seems like a far more pernicious view than suggesting that they might differ (in positive ways, no less!) from natives.
andreygrehov 6y ago
I'm an immigrant. Culturally, we are all different.