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They are not. They are normal. Would-be opinion-forming bullshit articles are supporting the bad guys, by delivering easy to refute narratives which ultimately

They are not. They are normal. Would-be opinion-forming bullshit articles are supporting the bad guys, by delivering easy to refute narratives which ultimately support immigrant haters. I'm so sick of this good/bad scheme predisposed to paint immigrants bad. Edit: from my perspective a new strategy of far-right idiots is to propagate "positive immigrant narratives" which then prove wrong, just because they have been exaggerated from the start. Cheap psychological trick, still effective.

firebaze 6y ago
If you downvote, please post an opinion and offer your opinion to be down- or upvoted!
- whatshisface 6y ago
  Well, if the article has statistics saying "yes," I'm not sure how far one could go on a comment that only has words saying "no."
- jcims 6y ago
  I didn't vote on your comment because I couldn't really parse what you were saying. So the IFS makes a poorly supported argument for immagrant family stability, is the idea that it's giving the anti-immigrant community a leverage point to turn it into a crater? edit: I figured there had to be a term for this, but couldn't find one. 'Grass Man' is proposed here - http://www.michaeldello.com/straw-man-steel-man-grass-man/ http://www.michaeldello.com/straw-man-steel-man-grass-man/
- firebaze 6y ago
  I despise the idea of differentiating between immigrants and natives. All people are equal. We all should be measured by equal terms. Quite often there are articles painting immigrants as innately good, which - to me - is the same racism as painting immigrants as bad.
  - dbatten 6y ago
    Surely "all people are equal" does not mean "we should never do sociological research on people" or "any sociological research that finds statistical differences in how different groups of people behave is necessarily wrong and evil."
  - jacob2484 6y ago
    If I immigrate to Switzerland or Singapore, I should not have all the rights that the citizens have, such as right to vote or social programs which would stress their system. Not until enough time passes and I qualify to be a citizen. Otherwise would be unfair to the natives.
    - foogazi 6y ago
      > Otherwise would be unfair to the natives. Says who ? These arbitrary rules were made up by someone, and are always subject to change. Life’s not fair
  - tw04 6y ago
    >I despise the idea of differentiating between immigrants and natives. All people are equal. You seem to be confusing the words equal and same. Nothing in the article says immigrants aren't equal, it says their family dynamics are DIFFERENT. With statistics to back it up. It's no different than me saying that statistically: the average black family from alabama living in zip code 35033 consumes a different variety of food than the average hispanic family from south dakota living in zip code 57620. Nothing about that says they aren't EQUAL, but they are absolutely DIFFERENT. Calling that "racism" is a pretty blatant abuse of the term.
  - foogazi 6y ago
    Immigrant here - I don’t see ANY difference between myself, Americans, Indians, Russians or Chinese I have met while working here - at the end of the day we are all people
  - ahupp 6y ago
    Your comment is written as if immigrants are a homogeneous group, all identical to each other. That seems like a far more pernicious view than suggesting that they might differ (in positive ways, no less!) from natives.
bee_rider 6y ago
The IFS does appear to be a right wing group. That said -- have you noticed this trend elsewhere? From my not-terribly-informed position, it looks more to me like this is part of the ongoing power struggle in the conservative movement. They recently had fairly poor election results, and this looks more to me like an attempt by this group to reverse their looming demographic challenges by at least trying to reach out to immigrant groups.

firebaze 6y ago

If you downvote, please post an opinion and offer your opinion to be down- or upvoted!

whatshisface 6y ago
Well, if the article has statistics saying "yes," I'm not sure how far one could go on a comment that only has words saying "no."
jcims 6y ago
I didn't vote on your comment because I couldn't really parse what you were saying. So the IFS makes a poorly supported argument for immagrant family stability, is the idea that it's giving the anti-immigrant community a leverage point to turn it into a crater? edit: I figured there had to be a term for this, but couldn't find one. 'Grass Man' is proposed here - http://www.michaeldello.com/straw-man-steel-man-grass-man/ http://www.michaeldello.com/straw-man-steel-man-grass-man/
firebaze 6y ago
I despise the idea of differentiating between immigrants and natives. All people are equal. We all should be measured by equal terms. Quite often there are articles painting immigrants as innately good, which - to me - is the same racism as painting immigrants as bad.
- dbatten 6y ago
  Surely "all people are equal" does not mean "we should never do sociological research on people" or "any sociological research that finds statistical differences in how different groups of people behave is necessarily wrong and evil."
- jacob2484 6y ago
  If I immigrate to Switzerland or Singapore, I should not have all the rights that the citizens have, such as right to vote or social programs which would stress their system. Not until enough time passes and I qualify to be a citizen. Otherwise would be unfair to the natives.
  - foogazi 6y ago
    > Otherwise would be unfair to the natives. Says who ? These arbitrary rules were made up by someone, and are always subject to change. Life’s not fair
- tw04 6y ago
  >I despise the idea of differentiating between immigrants and natives. All people are equal. You seem to be confusing the words equal and same. Nothing in the article says immigrants aren't equal, it says their family dynamics are DIFFERENT. With statistics to back it up. It's no different than me saying that statistically: the average black family from alabama living in zip code 35033 consumes a different variety of food than the average hispanic family from south dakota living in zip code 57620. Nothing about that says they aren't EQUAL, but they are absolutely DIFFERENT. Calling that "racism" is a pretty blatant abuse of the term.
- foogazi 6y ago
  Immigrant here - I don’t see ANY difference between myself, Americans, Indians, Russians or Chinese I have met while working here - at the end of the day we are all people
- ahupp 6y ago
  Your comment is written as if immigrants are a homogeneous group, all identical to each other. That seems like a far more pernicious view than suggesting that they might differ (in positive ways, no less!) from natives.

bee_rider 6y ago

The IFS does appear to be a right wing group. That said -- have you noticed this trend elsewhere? From my not-terribly-informed position, it looks more to me like this is part of the ongoing power struggle in the conservative movement. They recently had fairly poor election results, and this looks more to me like an attempt by this group to reverse their looming demographic challenges by at least trying to reach out to immigrant groups.