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Brave is launching its own search engine with the help of ex-Cliqz devs and tech

etr71115 6y ago
Here's the official blog post: https://brave.com/brave-search/ https://brave.com/brave-search/
rasengan 6y ago
That’s pretty cool. I like Brave, and Brendan and his team are doing great things over there. Brave is absolutely faster than Chrome, and I believe everyone here on HN considers Brendan a hero once they discover what he’s created. The search space absolutely needs more participants which will only help the experience for all internet users worldwide. This is very exciting for the search space. I’m also involved in this space so I wanted to let the Brave team know - if you’re interested in collaborating in any way with Private Search [1] I would love to chat. [1] https://private.sh https://private.sh
- stephenr 6y ago
  > I believe everyone here on HN considers Brendan a hero once they discover what he’s created. Nope
  - pmurt7 6y ago
    Brendan Eich? Netscape, Firefox, JavaScript... and now Brave! He is a legend of the Internet you idiot!
    - chartpath 6y ago
      Yep, and he is against gay marriage.
      - mosselman 6y ago
        Source?
        chartpath 6y ago
        https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/28/after-supporting-prop-8-brendan-eich-comes-under-fire-from-mozilla-employees-upon-ceo-appointment/ https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/28/after-supporting-prop-8-br...
        stephenr 6y ago
        https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26868536 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26868536
      - rasengan 6y ago
        Regardless, I’m not sure what that has to do with his contributions of code and product.
        kube-system 6y ago
        It has nothing to do with that, but could have something to do with whether a person would consider someone a hero.
        stephenr 6y ago
        It doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with it. I simply refuted the claim that everyone considers him “a hero”.
      - jjcon 6y ago
        So was Obama until halfway through his presidency but we don’t put scarlet letters on him... as a gay dude I’m sick of us branding people all the time... the dude is a legend no if’s ands or buts
        stephenr 6y ago
        I’m sick of people elevating people on ridiculous pedestals - calling them hero’s and legends - and then getting upset when other people expect said “legend/hero” to <checks notes> not be a bigoted homophobe.
    - matesz 6y ago
      Don't forget about Ted Nelson ;)
    - stephenr 6y ago
      I know what he’s done. Does it offend you so much that I don’t consider him a “hero”? Idiot indeed.
      - nperez 6y ago
        I'm with you on it. I respect his work. I actually like Javascript. I think considering him a hero is a bit of a stretch. I don't think that's unreasonable. HN is really not a fun place to express left-leaning views tbh (or any political views, for that matter), but I feel how I feel.
- caslon 6y ago
  He created a terrible programming language and a browser that's slower than Safari and risks the privacy of its users with half-considered Tor implementations; he also made Mozilla, which has been doing more harm than good since long before he left it. What exactly is legendary about Eich?
  - rasengan 6y ago
    JavaScript is spectacular and has reshaped our world for the better. I'm sure there will be improvements, but he pioneered this movement. This deserves respect. Brave is a new browser and will continue to improve. Take a step back and look at history - when has there ever been something awesome that simply was always awesome without bumps along the way? Finally, while some of Mozilla's more recent decisions have been brought to light on HN, during Brendan Eich's tenure, I assure you we all loved it. I salute the little guy taking on the big guy. Now, that's Brave.
    - caslon 6y ago
      > JavaScript is spectacular and has reshaped our world for the better. It made popular language design even worse. It also can't be implemented efficiently or quickly, and on its own more than likely contributes to a sizeable portion of world carbon emissions. > but he pioneered this movement. What movement? The "worse languages than R6RS" movement? That's been going on for a long time; he didn't start it, he'll be long-gone before it's finished. > This deserves respect. There are plenty of people who have made programming languages. Few people have created as bad a language as Javascript. It deserves no respect. > when has there ever been something awesome that simply was always awesome without bumps along the way? CHIP-8. Plan 9. Inferno. Anything that Chuck Moore touched for the first forty years of his career. Gopher, up until the organization that owned Gopher decided to make it proprietary. Most of the things Alan Kay has released. VAX. > during Brendan Eich's tenure, I assure you we all loved it. You're speaking collectively but your perspective is flawed and easy to prove as wrong. I didn't, for example. Nor did anyone who actually cared about freedom: Mozilla allowing DRM into Web standards permanently was incredibly close if not during Eich's tenure, and Mozilla had already been doing most of everything wrong before that. > I salute the little guy taking on the big guy. The little guy is Ekioh. Not someone repackaging Chromium with a few half-working extensions and a new UI.
Zhyl 6y ago
For those who missed it, Cliqz did a very in-depth series of blog posts on their tech [0]. Basically, it was "word2vec: The Search Engine". It was actually very impressive in terms of semantic understanding, but the index was pretty awful. I either got exactly what I was looking for, or no hits at all. I can imagine that they'd get massive value by focusing on more information-rich natural language sources and de-prioritising images or structured/knowledge queries for the time being. Some good partnerships to provide instant answers a-la Duckduckgo's goodies would be excellent. I also can't express how much better the Brave brand will be for them - even 'Tailcat' is a much better name. Cliqz sounds too much like an off-brand, gutter ad seller to ever have credibility, and I say that as someone who was fairly impressed with their tech. I am worried that they're currently pitching this as a general purpose search engine at the moment when it will be a while before it can even pretend to compete with Google. I would advise for them to find a niche where they can whip Google into next week, and then expand on scope from there. [0] https://www.0x65.dev/ https://www.0x65.dev/
- jarcane 6y ago
  "Cliqz sounds too much like an off-brand, gutter ad seller to ever have credibility, and I say that as someone who was fairly impressed with their tech." That's because they were. The parent company was in adtech and they even had another subsidiary that was hawking browser toolbars. Frankly though, the Brave brand has no better reputation with me however, so it still means seeing whatever promise the tech might've had consigned to the same headspace as the rest of the scamweb.
  - api 6y ago
    > hawking browser toolbars. Ahh yes, the lowest circle of adtech hell. I didn't know that kind of annoyware was even still a thing.
    - zenexer 6y ago
      It’s evolved into an even worse beast: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/is-your-browser-extension-a-botnet-backdoor/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/is-your-browser-extensio...
joshgoldman 6y ago
Can we trust Brave?
- sammorrowdrums 6y ago
  There are numerous accusations of dubious activity such as: - Inserting affiliate links[1] - They tried blocking ads, but then injecting their own[2] - Taking tips for people without consent[3] - Including Tor, but Leaking DNS[4] which is now fixed but a false sense of security is a dangerous thing edit apparently [2] is not actually accurate, this seems to shed some more light: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18744481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18744481 Not to say I don't have some respect for what they are doing, and for Brendan Eich's work, but I wouldn't say 100% blindly trust Brave either. It's had a sort of complex relationship with many people. - [1] https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-affiliate-links-crypto-privacy-ceo-apology https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-aff... - [2] https://www.wired.com/2016/04/brave-software-publishers-respond/ https://www.wired.com/2016/04/brave-software-publishers-resp... - [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999 - [4] https://www.coindesk.com/brave-browser-leak-exposed-user-domain-info-months https://www.coindesk.com/brave-browser-leak-exposed-user-dom...
  - justfortechnews 6y ago
    You seem fairly biased, and have included those links and accusations without any counter or responses from Brave. #2, for example, is just false. Brave doesn't block ads and then inject their own; they block 3rd-party ads, and have an opt-in ad network. Doesn't replace or inject anything. #1 gets brought up a lot on HN it seems, but sounds like it was an oversight and was fixed quickly. Same with #4. Every product has its issues, and as long as they're fixed quickly, it's understandable in my opinion.
    - sammorrowdrums 6y ago
      I apologise if only posting negative links seemed unreasonable, but not out of any deeply held bias, the question asked was "Can we trust Brave?", so praise about the good things they do didn't specifically seem relevant. It is true that they try and improve privacy (which is a USP as far as Tor and anti-tracking stuff go). If asked can I trust chrome, I'd not expect downvote for only sharing links about the various embedded tracking - and glossing over the good stuff they do (which is admittedly not even close to Brave as far as trust is concerned). If #2 is patently false, then apologies for spreading it further. > as long as they're fixed quickly, it's understandable in my opinion That's generally true, and I did mention the Tor thing had been fixed, but at the same time - it is very relevant to the trust question because for example people might well have visited sites that are illegal to do so within their countries under the premise of anonymous browsing via Brave, only to have their trust broken. I guess that's the risk you take if you do things like that, but it has an impact on trust of Brave.
justfortechnews 6y ago
There's a good overview of Brave's search engine focus from their team (the former Cliqz team) found in https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/03/brave_buys_a_search_engine/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/03/brave_buys_a_search_e... Paper on the search engine: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-B3ZvHpbnxsT2OdnUH8vS3-tvTv8OyQI/view https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-B3ZvHpbnxsT2OdnUH8vS3-tvTv...
BitwiseFool 6y ago
Can someome please make a search engine that doesn't use Natural Language Processing? I just want to enter keywords and get results. No fixating on certain terms in the query and no attempts to specialize or localize my results based on my data. I want an old-school search engine, not a digital assistant/answers machine.
- gbmatt 6y ago
  I made this search engine: https://www.gigablast.com/ https://www.gigablast.com/ that seems to fit that bill. As I am really the only programmer on it, my budget is essentially non-existent, therefore not allowing for many of the fancy additions you mentioned. The two biggest problems are 1) small index (need more servers) and 2) synonyms. The synonyms get pretty wonky sometimes, and often I miss good synonyms that I should be getting. But I don't have query logs like Google to use for synonym generation. Also, I probably should have quit developing this years ago, I know, but it is an obsession. :)
  - thestepafter 6y ago
    I have to say that I tried this out and really loved it. A simple search for monitor arms shows sites that aren’t click bait with links back to Amazon. I was able to see Herman Miller and Humanscale on the front page. Nice job with this. If you ever lose interest in doing this let me know, I have been considering building a search engine myself for awhile now.
    - gbmatt 6y ago
      Also check out this new instant answers thing if you are interested. i'd love to get back constructive criticism: https://www.gigablast.com/search?c=main&qlangcountry=en-us&q=what+do+mountain+lions+eat%3F https://www.gigablast.com/search?c=main&qlangcountry=en-us&q... https://www.gigablast.com/search?c=main&qlangcountry=en-us&q=who+invented+calculus%3F https://www.gigablast.com/search?c=main&qlangcountry=en-us&q... https://www.gigablast.com/search?c=main&qlangcountry=en-us&q=who+was+on+the+first+box+of+wheaties%3F https://www.gigablast.com/search?c=main&qlangcountry=en-us&q...
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schmorptron 6y ago
Super interesting how this will play out. Does anyone have any experience with cliqz? I saw it at a friends place once but never tried it myself. Is it any different from using firefox and duckduckgo?
gidam 6y ago
Brave has a long way to go to build real trust. Too many reckless stuff: hijacking links, suspicious url-rewriting, crypto-token stunts, forgetting to communicate with users about serious privacy leaks with their faulty TOR window... also it looks like they care about privacy only in their PR brochures.
- doublerabbit 6y ago
  Rebranded chrome with cryptocurrency / blockchain tech is all I see of it when someone mentions Brave.
abhinavsharma 6y ago
I think the most interesting idea here is that of Goggles, filters like - trusted product reviews - left biased media/right biased media - my cooking sites. This is something we've been doing for a while in Insight (YC W19) (https://insightbrowser.com/ https://insightbrowser.com/) and our users really like creating and sharing them. They work on top of Google, DDG or whatever your search engine is. We suggest useful filters as well. It's cool to see that idea proliferate — it could be a part of every search/browsing experience soon. All modern search engines try and guess intent that that's an increasingly difficult guess to get right.
- wittyreference 6y ago
  Installing this browser for a look-see as we speak. So, as a "privacy focused" browser, what's your revenue model?
riston 6y ago
I hope to see some more alternatives to Google as the search results provided by Google last six months contain in most of the case some phishing/scam sites. Not sure why these pages aren't removed from the result lists?
snug 6y ago
Some how Google + Chrome is bad But Brave + Cliqz is good? I thought the whole argument was a browser shouldn't be owned by the same company that runs a search engine, or for-profit organization

Here's the official blog post: https://brave.com/brave-search/ https://brave.com/brave-search/

That’s pretty cool. I like Brave, and Brendan and his team are doing great things over there. Brave is absolutely faster than Chrome, and I believe everyone here on HN considers Brendan a hero once they discover what he’s created. The search space absolutely needs more participants which will only help the experience for all internet users worldwide. This is very exciting for the search space. I’m also involved in this space so I wanted to let the Brave team know - if you’re interested in collaborating in any way with Private Search [1] I would love to chat. [1] https://private.sh https://private.sh

stephenr 6y ago
> I believe everyone here on HN considers Brendan a hero once they discover what he’s created. Nope
- pmurt7 6y ago
  Brendan Eich? Netscape, Firefox, JavaScript... and now Brave! He is a legend of the Internet you idiot!
  - chartpath 6y ago
    Yep, and he is against gay marriage.
    - mosselman 6y ago
      Source?
      - chartpath 6y ago
        https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/28/after-supporting-prop-8-brendan-eich-comes-under-fire-from-mozilla-employees-upon-ceo-appointment/ https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/28/after-supporting-prop-8-br...
      - stephenr 6y ago
        https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26868536 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26868536
    - rasengan 6y ago
      Regardless, I’m not sure what that has to do with his contributions of code and product.
      - kube-system 6y ago
        It has nothing to do with that, but could have something to do with whether a person would consider someone a hero.
      - stephenr 6y ago
        It doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with it. I simply refuted the claim that everyone considers him “a hero”.
    - jjcon 6y ago
      So was Obama until halfway through his presidency but we don’t put scarlet letters on him... as a gay dude I’m sick of us branding people all the time... the dude is a legend no if’s ands or buts
      - stephenr 6y ago
        I’m sick of people elevating people on ridiculous pedestals - calling them hero’s and legends - and then getting upset when other people expect said “legend/hero” to <checks notes> not be a bigoted homophobe.
  - matesz 6y ago
    Don't forget about Ted Nelson ;)
  - stephenr 6y ago
    I know what he’s done. Does it offend you so much that I don’t consider him a “hero”? Idiot indeed.
    - nperez 6y ago
      I'm with you on it. I respect his work. I actually like Javascript. I think considering him a hero is a bit of a stretch. I don't think that's unreasonable. HN is really not a fun place to express left-leaning views tbh (or any political views, for that matter), but I feel how I feel.
caslon 6y ago
He created a terrible programming language and a browser that's slower than Safari and risks the privacy of its users with half-considered Tor implementations; he also made Mozilla, which has been doing more harm than good since long before he left it. What exactly is legendary about Eich?
- rasengan 6y ago
  JavaScript is spectacular and has reshaped our world for the better. I'm sure there will be improvements, but he pioneered this movement. This deserves respect. Brave is a new browser and will continue to improve. Take a step back and look at history - when has there ever been something awesome that simply was always awesome without bumps along the way? Finally, while some of Mozilla's more recent decisions have been brought to light on HN, during Brendan Eich's tenure, I assure you we all loved it. I salute the little guy taking on the big guy. Now, that's Brave.
  - caslon 6y ago
    > JavaScript is spectacular and has reshaped our world for the better. It made popular language design even worse. It also can't be implemented efficiently or quickly, and on its own more than likely contributes to a sizeable portion of world carbon emissions. > but he pioneered this movement. What movement? The "worse languages than R6RS" movement? That's been going on for a long time; he didn't start it, he'll be long-gone before it's finished. > This deserves respect. There are plenty of people who have made programming languages. Few people have created as bad a language as Javascript. It deserves no respect. > when has there ever been something awesome that simply was always awesome without bumps along the way? CHIP-8. Plan 9. Inferno. Anything that Chuck Moore touched for the first forty years of his career. Gopher, up until the organization that owned Gopher decided to make it proprietary. Most of the things Alan Kay has released. VAX. > during Brendan Eich's tenure, I assure you we all loved it. You're speaking collectively but your perspective is flawed and easy to prove as wrong. I didn't, for example. Nor did anyone who actually cared about freedom: Mozilla allowing DRM into Web standards permanently was incredibly close if not during Eich's tenure, and Mozilla had already been doing most of everything wrong before that. > I salute the little guy taking on the big guy. The little guy is Ekioh. Not someone repackaging Chromium with a few half-working extensions and a new UI.

Zhyl 6y ago

For those who missed it, Cliqz did a very in-depth series of blog posts on their tech [0]. Basically, it was "word2vec: The Search Engine". It was actually very impressive in terms of semantic understanding, but the index was pretty awful. I either got exactly what I was looking for, or no hits at all. I can imagine that they'd get massive value by focusing on more information-rich natural language sources and de-prioritising images or structured/knowledge queries for the time being. Some good partnerships to provide instant answers a-la Duckduckgo's goodies would be excellent. I also can't express how much better the Brave brand will be for them - even 'Tailcat' is a much better name. Cliqz sounds too much like an off-brand, gutter ad seller to ever have credibility, and I say that as someone who was fairly impressed with their tech. I am worried that they're currently pitching this as a general purpose search engine at the moment when it will be a while before it can even pretend to compete with Google. I would advise for them to find a niche where they can whip Google into next week, and then expand on scope from there. [0] https://www.0x65.dev/ https://www.0x65.dev/

jarcane 6y ago
"Cliqz sounds too much like an off-brand, gutter ad seller to ever have credibility, and I say that as someone who was fairly impressed with their tech." That's because they were. The parent company was in adtech and they even had another subsidiary that was hawking browser toolbars. Frankly though, the Brave brand has no better reputation with me however, so it still means seeing whatever promise the tech might've had consigned to the same headspace as the rest of the scamweb.
- api 6y ago
  > hawking browser toolbars. Ahh yes, the lowest circle of adtech hell. I didn't know that kind of annoyware was even still a thing.
  - zenexer 6y ago
    It’s evolved into an even worse beast: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/is-your-browser-extension-a-botnet-backdoor/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/is-your-browser-extensio...

joshgoldman 6y ago

Can we trust Brave?

sammorrowdrums 6y ago
There are numerous accusations of dubious activity such as: - Inserting affiliate links[1] - They tried blocking ads, but then injecting their own[2] - Taking tips for people without consent[3] - Including Tor, but Leaking DNS[4] which is now fixed but a false sense of security is a dangerous thing edit apparently [2] is not actually accurate, this seems to shed some more light: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18744481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18744481 Not to say I don't have some respect for what they are doing, and for Brendan Eich's work, but I wouldn't say 100% blindly trust Brave either. It's had a sort of complex relationship with many people. - [1] https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-affiliate-links-crypto-privacy-ceo-apology https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-aff... - [2] https://www.wired.com/2016/04/brave-software-publishers-respond/ https://www.wired.com/2016/04/brave-software-publishers-resp... - [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999 - [4] https://www.coindesk.com/brave-browser-leak-exposed-user-domain-info-months https://www.coindesk.com/brave-browser-leak-exposed-user-dom...
- justfortechnews 6y ago
  You seem fairly biased, and have included those links and accusations without any counter or responses from Brave. #2, for example, is just false. Brave doesn't block ads and then inject their own; they block 3rd-party ads, and have an opt-in ad network. Doesn't replace or inject anything. #1 gets brought up a lot on HN it seems, but sounds like it was an oversight and was fixed quickly. Same with #4. Every product has its issues, and as long as they're fixed quickly, it's understandable in my opinion.
  - sammorrowdrums 6y ago
    I apologise if only posting negative links seemed unreasonable, but not out of any deeply held bias, the question asked was "Can we trust Brave?", so praise about the good things they do didn't specifically seem relevant. It is true that they try and improve privacy (which is a USP as far as Tor and anti-tracking stuff go). If asked can I trust chrome, I'd not expect downvote for only sharing links about the various embedded tracking - and glossing over the good stuff they do (which is admittedly not even close to Brave as far as trust is concerned). If #2 is patently false, then apologies for spreading it further. > as long as they're fixed quickly, it's understandable in my opinion That's generally true, and I did mention the Tor thing had been fixed, but at the same time - it is very relevant to the trust question because for example people might well have visited sites that are illegal to do so within their countries under the premise of anonymous browsing via Brave, only to have their trust broken. I guess that's the risk you take if you do things like that, but it has an impact on trust of Brave.

justfortechnews 6y ago

There's a good overview of Brave's search engine focus from their team (the former Cliqz team) found in https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/03/brave_buys_a_search_engine/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/03/brave_buys_a_search_e... Paper on the search engine: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-B3ZvHpbnxsT2OdnUH8vS3-tvTv8OyQI/view https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-B3ZvHpbnxsT2OdnUH8vS3-tvTv...

BitwiseFool 6y ago

Can someome please make a search engine that doesn't use Natural Language Processing? I just want to enter keywords and get results. No fixating on certain terms in the query and no attempts to specialize or localize my results based on my data. I want an old-school search engine, not a digital assistant/answers machine.

gbmatt 6y ago
I made this search engine: https://www.gigablast.com/ https://www.gigablast.com/ that seems to fit that bill. As I am really the only programmer on it, my budget is essentially non-existent, therefore not allowing for many of the fancy additions you mentioned. The two biggest problems are 1) small index (need more servers) and 2) synonyms. The synonyms get pretty wonky sometimes, and often I miss good synonyms that I should be getting. But I don't have query logs like Google to use for synonym generation. Also, I probably should have quit developing this years ago, I know, but it is an obsession. :)
- thestepafter 6y ago
  I have to say that I tried this out and really loved it. A simple search for monitor arms shows sites that aren’t click bait with links back to Amazon. I was able to see Herman Miller and Humanscale on the front page. Nice job with this. If you ever lose interest in doing this let me know, I have been considering building a search engine myself for awhile now.
  - gbmatt 6y ago
    Also check out this new instant answers thing if you are interested. i'd love to get back constructive criticism: https://www.gigablast.com/search?c=main&qlangcountry=en-us&q=what+do+mountain+lions+eat%3F https://www.gigablast.com/search?c=main&qlangcountry=en-us&q... https://www.gigablast.com/search?c=main&qlangcountry=en-us&q=who+invented+calculus%3F https://www.gigablast.com/search?c=main&qlangcountry=en-us&q... https://www.gigablast.com/search?c=main&qlangcountry=en-us&q=who+was+on+the+first+box+of+wheaties%3F https://www.gigablast.com/search?c=main&qlangcountry=en-us&q...

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schmorptron 6y ago

Super interesting how this will play out. Does anyone have any experience with cliqz? I saw it at a friends place once but never tried it myself. Is it any different from using firefox and duckduckgo?

gidam 6y ago

Brave has a long way to go to build real trust. Too many reckless stuff: hijacking links, suspicious url-rewriting, crypto-token stunts, forgetting to communicate with users about serious privacy leaks with their faulty TOR window... also it looks like they care about privacy only in their PR brochures.

doublerabbit 6y ago
Rebranded chrome with cryptocurrency / blockchain tech is all I see of it when someone mentions Brave.

abhinavsharma 6y ago

I think the most interesting idea here is that of Goggles, filters like - trusted product reviews - left biased media/right biased media - my cooking sites. This is something we've been doing for a while in Insight (YC W19) (https://insightbrowser.com/ https://insightbrowser.com/) and our users really like creating and sharing them. They work on top of Google, DDG or whatever your search engine is. We suggest useful filters as well. It's cool to see that idea proliferate — it could be a part of every search/browsing experience soon. All modern search engines try and guess intent that that's an increasingly difficult guess to get right.

wittyreference 6y ago
Installing this browser for a look-see as we speak. So, as a "privacy focused" browser, what's your revenue model?

riston 6y ago

I hope to see some more alternatives to Google as the search results provided by Google last six months contain in most of the case some phishing/scam sites. Not sure why these pages aren't removed from the result lists?

snug 6y ago

Some how Google + Chrome is bad But Brave + Cliqz is good? I thought the whole argument was a browser shouldn't be owned by the same company that runs a search engine, or for-profit organization