3 ms·

My understanding, from international friends, and many internet articles (like the recent Bloomberg piece on Berlin rent control), is that housing policy is pre

by em500 6y ago

My understanding, from international friends, and many internet articles (like the recent Bloomberg piece on Berlin rent control), is that housing policy is pretty bad in almost all desirable places globally, be it London, Berlin, Stockholm, Hong Kong, Sydney, San Francisco or Amsterdam. The economics around housing are usually simple, but the politics seem intractable. Increasing attractiveness of some location always leads to higher prices, which can only be relieved by increasing supply (or decreasing the local attractiveness). But there are almost always forces opposing increased building, so politicians revert to demand side policies such as loans/interest rate policies or price controls, which have many downsides that are less immediately visible.

mattmanser 6y ago
The politics are they've created a massive, decades long, bubble, and no-one can afford to have it pop during their electoral term for fear of never getting elected again.
chii 6y ago
> housing policy is pretty bad in almost all desirable places globally or, perhaps it's that if a place is desirable, the prices are going to be unaffordable since space is always limited. Perhaps policies have nothing much to do with it at all.
- bluGill 6y ago
  In theory. In practice space isn't that limited. As housing gets more expensive it becomes economical to build taller which brings things back down. A 200 sq meter house (not small, though there are plenty larger) could be 1 floor, or 5 floors 40 sq meters for only slightly more money. The latter can fit on a much smaller lot, and so we can fit 5 times as many people in single family houses if we wanted. (at that density public transit works well so the amount of car infrastructure needed is about the same either way, with the later only needing cars for delivery and maintenance) You can go taller as well, but above about 5 floors the standard house construction isn't strong enough and so there is an additional cost to better engineering to account for.

by em500 6y ago

mattmanser 6y ago

The politics are they've created a massive, decades long, bubble, and no-one can afford to have it pop during their electoral term for fear of never getting elected again.

chii 6y ago

> housing policy is pretty bad in almost all desirable places globally or, perhaps it's that if a place is desirable, the prices are going to be unaffordable since space is always limited. Perhaps policies have nothing much to do with it at all.

bluGill 6y ago
In theory. In practice space isn't that limited. As housing gets more expensive it becomes economical to build taller which brings things back down. A 200 sq meter house (not small, though there are plenty larger) could be 1 floor, or 5 floors 40 sq meters for only slightly more money. The latter can fit on a much smaller lot, and so we can fit 5 times as many people in single family houses if we wanted. (at that density public transit works well so the amount of car infrastructure needed is about the same either way, with the later only needing cars for delivery and maintenance) You can go taller as well, but above about 5 floors the standard house construction isn't strong enough and so there is an additional cost to better engineering to account for.