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>The one thing I agree with vegans is the fact they want people to get the processed trash out of their diet. Except, i don't think i've yet met a vegan that d

>The one thing I agree with vegans is the fact they want people to get the processed trash out of their diet. Except, i don't think i've yet met a vegan that doesn't consume ultra processed soy and or gluten based products. All these meat alternatives are ultra processed to make them resemble meat. They're made of ultra processed protein and vegetables, spices and additives to improve taste, colour and texture and to allow them to keep whatever shape and form they're pressed into. The creation of alternative meats is highly industrialized process that creates ultra-processed food products. The single number one thing humans could do to reduce pollution from agricultural production is to stop relying on global imports and exports for so many things and focus on small scale regional production. Reduce the overall amount of mass scale industrial agriculture. Because whatever's being produced, meat, plant or otherwise, the methods being used to produce them and the scale they're being produced on is the problem. Reduce the waste all along the supply chain, reduce the global footprint, go back to less productive but more sustainable production methods and focus food imports and exports as locally as possible. Rely on regional trade before global.

dekhn 6y ago
Here's a perfect example of the ultra processed vegan food: https://www.mccormick.com/spices-and-flavors/other/bacn-pieces-bacon-flavored-bits https://www.mccormick.com/spices-and-flavors/other/bacn-piec... It's not surprising that the ingredients list is similar to Doritos: Textured Soy Flour, Canola Oil, Salt, Caramel Color, Maltodextrin, Natural and Artificial Flavor, Lactic Acid, Yeast Extract, Disodium Inosinate and Disodium Guanylate (Flavor Enhancers), and FD&C Red 40. It's basically and engineered umami delivery system.
- PretzelPirate 6y ago
  Those are bacon bits and aren’t targeted towards the vegan market. I may have missed the joke, but this isn’t a great example of what vegans usually eat.
the_gastropod 6y ago
> Except, i don't think i've yet met a vegan that doesn't consume ultra processed soy and or gluten based products. Yea, the term "vegan" is pretty silly and meaningless, since it only describes what you don't eat. I'm fond of the whole-foods-plant-based diet (which is a vegan diet) and is more in line with what you're describing—eating real food. Avoiding processed junk. While I think eating local is a decent rule-of-thumb good thing, it's also overly-simplistic. Bananas are often used as an example. They're obviously not local to the U.S., and are shipped from long distances. But the environmental impact of bananas is minuscule (not to downplay the other political and agricultural issues with banana plantations).

dekhn 6y ago

Here's a perfect example of the ultra processed vegan food: https://www.mccormick.com/spices-and-flavors/other/bacn-pieces-bacon-flavored-bits https://www.mccormick.com/spices-and-flavors/other/bacn-piec... It's not surprising that the ingredients list is similar to Doritos: Textured Soy Flour, Canola Oil, Salt, Caramel Color, Maltodextrin, Natural and Artificial Flavor, Lactic Acid, Yeast Extract, Disodium Inosinate and Disodium Guanylate (Flavor Enhancers), and FD&C Red 40. It's basically and engineered umami delivery system.

PretzelPirate 6y ago
Those are bacon bits and aren’t targeted towards the vegan market. I may have missed the joke, but this isn’t a great example of what vegans usually eat.

the_gastropod 6y ago

> Except, i don't think i've yet met a vegan that doesn't consume ultra processed soy and or gluten based products. Yea, the term "vegan" is pretty silly and meaningless, since it only describes what you don't eat. I'm fond of the whole-foods-plant-based diet (which is a vegan diet) and is more in line with what you're describing—eating real food. Avoiding processed junk. While I think eating local is a decent rule-of-thumb good thing, it's also overly-simplistic. Bananas are often used as an example. They're obviously not local to the U.S., and are shipped from long distances. But the environmental impact of bananas is minuscule (not to downplay the other political and agricultural issues with banana plantations).