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> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them Correct. We hate nazis.

abernard1 6y ago
> Correct. We hate nazis. If you believe there are 10s of millions of Nazis in America, you have issues.
- orf 6y ago
  Serious question: how many people would you estimate identify as Nazis, or hold highly anti-semitic/racist + authoritarian views in America? Hundreds of thousands? A million?
  - thu2111 6y ago
    Probably only a few thousand white supremacists in the entire USA: https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-w...
    - 8fGTBjZxBcHq 6y ago
      Yes and one of them wrote that article. I know people are going to mad about this because tech boys loooove him but google it he's a eugenics supporter and endorses far-right race philosophers.
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago
  That was not claimed anywhere. Your logical fallacy is: straw man.
  - abernard1 6y ago
    There are 10s of millions of people on Gab and Parler. Are they all the baddies?
- Rapzid 6y ago
  There are 10s of millions of Ordinary Men.
nix23 6y ago
Isn't it beautiful how the American and western society's rips itself apart? Man vs Women, Woman vs Trans, Gay vs Lesbians, White vs Black..oh sorry i mean People of no Color vs People of Color, Democrats vs Republicans and so on...zero consensus on each side what our society should be. It's like the KGB wins the cold war after all...with a small delay. Yuri Bezmenov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLdDmeyMJls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLdDmeyMJls
- vkou 6y ago
  White vs Black was something that was ripping the United States apart since the arrival of the first slave on the continent, so I'd have a hard time crediting the KGB for it.
  - goatinaboat 6y ago
    White vs Black was something that was ripping the United States apart since the arrival of the first slave on the continent That isn't true, since the first black slaves were brought over by the ethnic group we now call Latinx.
    - KDJohnBrown 6y ago
      This is simultaneously a fair point (the Portugeuse were the first slavers) and a miscategorization (puritans/white european invaders were quite racist and violent from the moment they landed on Plymouth rock and began stealing from / killing Natives).
      - goatinaboat 6y ago
        puritans/white european invaders were quite racist and violent from the moment they landed on Plymouth rock and began stealing from / killing Natives I guess I can't keep up with the shifting terminology, are natives considered blacks now then? Isn't that supposed to be BIPOCS? Actually if we are talking about slaves, then native Americans had been enslaving each other for centuries before Whites or Latinx arrived.
argvargc 6y ago
On Gab daily. Never seen a single Nazi. Seen some unorthodox/thought-provoking views for sure, but that's part of why I visit and one of the same reasons I visit HN.
- jki275 6y ago
  This. I wonder if anyone here has ever even seen either site, because the vast majority of the comments here are simply regurgitating national media talking points about the sites - and those talking points bear zero relationship to reality. America used to be about the free exchange of ideas.
- likeafox 6y ago
  Andrew Anglin, operator of The Daily Stormer is famously one of the biggest 'influencers' to move to the original Gab platform, and he remains fairly active there. Gab's front page has been tuned over time to be less egregious, but I have been poking around the site for a long time and remember when even in logged out view the home page would be a lot of altright / TDS type of posts filled with general /pol/ tier takes. And though the main feed / explore page is not quite as openly tilted toward that audience today, the 'groups' features not one but three QAnon groups, which appear to be some of the largest on the site. In short - if you've been looking at Gab's content since their inception, it be hard not to see activity from some prominent altright/stormer users, and there remains a large quantity of both weird political extremism and general cultism promoted at the top level of the site.
  - dublin 6y ago
    So what? If you happen to see an obnoxious Nazi posting, simply mute them and move on with your life. Personally, I usually don't even do that, because it's useful to occasionally comment on their posts (which are a tiny, tiny fraction of Gab's content) to point out to them that Nazi totalitarian tyranny is in no way preferable to socialist/Communist totalitarian tyranny.
khmmr 6y ago
As a European from a country with actual experience with various totalitarian regimes, based on current actions in US like restricting free speech, banning books, enforcing ideology through propaganda and forced "reeducation" courses for those whose beliefs are considered "wrong", "positive" discrimination based on racial features etc, I'm more inclined to think that you are not hating the nazis, you are the nazis. Also, blaming problems in the country/world on a group of people identified by their racial features (white males), accusing them in abusing their privilege for oppression of other groups also defined by racial features. Where have I seen this before? Oh, right, nazis again..
- croon 6y ago
  As another European, I completely disagree.
- krageon 6y ago
  You're putting words in their mouth and then arguing with those words. Seeing as you're responding to a single sentence, this is an impressive amount of extrapolation.
- smcl 6y ago
  You're suggesting that right-wing white males are an oppressed minority in the USA. It takes a serious amount of ignorance and mental gymnastics to sincerely believe this. I suspect you are trolling, but if you're not then I don't know what would convince you otherwise because the amount of information you'd have to discard or ignore to reach this conclusion is alarming.
  - khmmr 6y ago
    I'm suggesting the Left is using Nazi playbook and promoting totalitarianism in attacking and accusing right-wing white males. The fact that at the same time they claim to be "fighting Nazis" and "standing up to oppression" is a sad irony. I'm not sure you even know there what being oppressed means, no-one yet is really oppressed in the USA, fortunately.
dublin 6y ago
There are a handful of Nazis on Gab, as I'm sure there are a handful of Nazis on HN. One of the nicest things about Gab is its Mute feature, which allows you to easily to never see the really obnoxious idiots again. As for myself, I hate all totalitarians - Nazis are no worse than Communists, but they are no better, either. (Arguably, as horrible and inexcusable as the Nazis were, by the numbers they are in the flyweight class for genocide in the 20th century compared to their Communist counterparts...)

abernard1 6y ago

> Correct. We hate nazis. If you believe there are 10s of millions of Nazis in America, you have issues.

orf 6y ago
Serious question: how many people would you estimate identify as Nazis, or hold highly anti-semitic/racist + authoritarian views in America? Hundreds of thousands? A million?
- thu2111 6y ago
  Probably only a few thousand white supremacists in the entire USA: https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-w...
  - 8fGTBjZxBcHq 6y ago
    Yes and one of them wrote that article. I know people are going to mad about this because tech boys loooove him but google it he's a eugenics supporter and endorses far-right race philosophers.
Cthulhu_ 6y ago
That was not claimed anywhere. Your logical fallacy is: straw man.
- abernard1 6y ago
  There are 10s of millions of people on Gab and Parler. Are they all the baddies?
Rapzid 6y ago
There are 10s of millions of Ordinary Men.

nix23 6y ago

Isn't it beautiful how the American and western society's rips itself apart? Man vs Women, Woman vs Trans, Gay vs Lesbians, White vs Black..oh sorry i mean People of no Color vs People of Color, Democrats vs Republicans and so on...zero consensus on each side what our society should be. It's like the KGB wins the cold war after all...with a small delay. Yuri Bezmenov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLdDmeyMJls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLdDmeyMJls

vkou 6y ago
White vs Black was something that was ripping the United States apart since the arrival of the first slave on the continent, so I'd have a hard time crediting the KGB for it.
- goatinaboat 6y ago
  White vs Black was something that was ripping the United States apart since the arrival of the first slave on the continent That isn't true, since the first black slaves were brought over by the ethnic group we now call Latinx.
  - KDJohnBrown 6y ago
    This is simultaneously a fair point (the Portugeuse were the first slavers) and a miscategorization (puritans/white european invaders were quite racist and violent from the moment they landed on Plymouth rock and began stealing from / killing Natives).
    - goatinaboat 6y ago
      puritans/white european invaders were quite racist and violent from the moment they landed on Plymouth rock and began stealing from / killing Natives I guess I can't keep up with the shifting terminology, are natives considered blacks now then? Isn't that supposed to be BIPOCS? Actually if we are talking about slaves, then native Americans had been enslaving each other for centuries before Whites or Latinx arrived.

argvargc 6y ago

On Gab daily. Never seen a single Nazi. Seen some unorthodox/thought-provoking views for sure, but that's part of why I visit and one of the same reasons I visit HN.

jki275 6y ago
This. I wonder if anyone here has ever even seen either site, because the vast majority of the comments here are simply regurgitating national media talking points about the sites - and those talking points bear zero relationship to reality. America used to be about the free exchange of ideas.
likeafox 6y ago
Andrew Anglin, operator of The Daily Stormer is famously one of the biggest 'influencers' to move to the original Gab platform, and he remains fairly active there. Gab's front page has been tuned over time to be less egregious, but I have been poking around the site for a long time and remember when even in logged out view the home page would be a lot of altright / TDS type of posts filled with general /pol/ tier takes. And though the main feed / explore page is not quite as openly tilted toward that audience today, the 'groups' features not one but three QAnon groups, which appear to be some of the largest on the site. In short - if you've been looking at Gab's content since their inception, it be hard not to see activity from some prominent altright/stormer users, and there remains a large quantity of both weird political extremism and general cultism promoted at the top level of the site.
- dublin 6y ago
  So what? If you happen to see an obnoxious Nazi posting, simply mute them and move on with your life. Personally, I usually don't even do that, because it's useful to occasionally comment on their posts (which are a tiny, tiny fraction of Gab's content) to point out to them that Nazi totalitarian tyranny is in no way preferable to socialist/Communist totalitarian tyranny.

khmmr 6y ago

As a European from a country with actual experience with various totalitarian regimes, based on current actions in US like restricting free speech, banning books, enforcing ideology through propaganda and forced "reeducation" courses for those whose beliefs are considered "wrong", "positive" discrimination based on racial features etc, I'm more inclined to think that you are not hating the nazis, you are the nazis. Also, blaming problems in the country/world on a group of people identified by their racial features (white males), accusing them in abusing their privilege for oppression of other groups also defined by racial features. Where have I seen this before? Oh, right, nazis again..

croon 6y ago
As another European, I completely disagree.
krageon 6y ago
You're putting words in their mouth and then arguing with those words. Seeing as you're responding to a single sentence, this is an impressive amount of extrapolation.
smcl 6y ago
You're suggesting that right-wing white males are an oppressed minority in the USA. It takes a serious amount of ignorance and mental gymnastics to sincerely believe this. I suspect you are trolling, but if you're not then I don't know what would convince you otherwise because the amount of information you'd have to discard or ignore to reach this conclusion is alarming.
- khmmr 6y ago
  I'm suggesting the Left is using Nazi playbook and promoting totalitarianism in attacking and accusing right-wing white males. The fact that at the same time they claim to be "fighting Nazis" and "standing up to oppression" is a sad irony. I'm not sure you even know there what being oppressed means, no-one yet is really oppressed in the USA, fortunately.

dublin 6y ago

There are a handful of Nazis on Gab, as I'm sure there are a handful of Nazis on HN. One of the nicest things about Gab is its Mute feature, which allows you to easily to never see the really obnoxious idiots again. As for myself, I hate all totalitarians - Nazis are no worse than Communists, but they are no better, either. (Arguably, as horrible and inexcusable as the Nazis were, by the numbers they are in the flyweight class for genocide in the 20th century compared to their Communist counterparts...)