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It seems like there's plenty of "willful misunderstanding" from folk on both sides of the political spectrum. It seems like two sides of the same coin to me, an

It seems like there's plenty of "willful misunderstanding" from folk on both sides of the political spectrum. It seems like two sides of the same coin to me, and it doesn't really matter too much because ultimately the carnival game is rigged to eat the coin regardless. Whether you're a neo-nazi or a marxist-commie, we're all slightly awkward but reasonable nerds here right? I think most sane people can agree that data breaches are bad, and that black hat hackers are bad guys and white hat hackers are good guys? Speaking of finding common ground, I thought the recent GME schenanigans were notable in that folk on both extremes of the political spectrum seemed to agree that it was fun "sticking it to the man". Was anyone here not cheering the "irrational" retail traders on?

pii 6y ago
Genuinely, I want to find common ground with people who don't say anyone who isn't a neo-nazi is ALL THE WAY LEFT AND A DANGEROUS PERSON
- AuryGlenz 6y ago
  Maybe you could start by realizing the vast majority of people on the right aren’t neo-nazis.
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  - vecter 6y ago
    Not all people on the far right are Neo-Nazis, but all Neo-Nazis are on the far right.
    - spacemanmatt 6y ago
      Not sure why so many fail to understand that fascism is a an exclusively right-wing phenomenon.
  - pii 6y ago
    "I won't acknowledge that neo-nazis are a problem" Sorry, did I misunderstand you?
- sgtnoodle 6y ago
  You aren't coming across as genuine, though. Textual communication loses a lot of subtlety, but you figuratively started screaming mid-sentence. Is it fair to assume that people in the past have treated you like a dangerous person? Were you screaming at them? Were you trying to shame them into condemning something, thus forcing them to either submit themselves to you, or seemingly be implicated as the terrible thing you're calling them to condemn? If you really intended to be genuine in your desire to find common ground with folk of differing political views from your own, I once again invite you to share your personal beliefs on the topic of societal damage caused by data breaches, or your thoughts on the recent GME stock market manipulation.
  - pii 6y ago
    Hey, I'm willing to have that discussion, sure. I am accepting the challenge to accept the rules of engagement you dictated. Are you willing to accept the challenge of accepting the rules of engagement I put forth - Acknowledge that neo-nazis are a problem, briefly state why? --- I think the GME stuff is a bit nuts, personally. I found the whole thing entertaining, but I find it hard to believe that most participants won't be hurt in some way in the long run. I'm not sure how much small time investors understand that. Optimistically, maybe this is a collective learning experience that does minimal harm to a large number of people, and we all come away from the experience with a better idea of how the stock market works. Maybe then we can make better informed electoral decisions? Feels a bit too optimistic, but hey. Better than meme stocks vs hedge funds, imo, would be to have a working system for accountability and enforcement at the SEC- been lacking for decades, from what I understand. ------- Societal damage caused by data breaches. Idk, it's a bit large as a topic. Do I like that a bunch of personal data just got dumped? Not the biggest fan, no. I wouldn't want it to happen to me, certainly. I do think it's useful to have the data there to show how much the platform is for hate and organizing around hate. It seems like there should be a better way to expose this kind of thing. ---- I'd be surprised if you also engage in a genuine discussion on your own terms. I love surprises, but I've been on the internet long enough not to expect them.
    - Krisando 6y ago
      > I do think it's useful to have the data there to show how much the platform is for hate and organizing around hate. I think for a proper useful evaluation, we equally need to see a similar full dump from other platforms like Facebook, Twitter etc. who are the standard when it comes to social media. I am personally not too convinced the content is that different, but rather some platforms just have more diverse political allegiances.

pii 6y ago

Genuinely, I want to find common ground with people who don't say anyone who isn't a neo-nazi is ALL THE WAY LEFT AND A DANGEROUS PERSON

AuryGlenz 6y ago
Maybe you could start by realizing the vast majority of people on the right aren’t neo-nazis.
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- vecter 6y ago
  Not all people on the far right are Neo-Nazis, but all Neo-Nazis are on the far right.
  - spacemanmatt 6y ago
    Not sure why so many fail to understand that fascism is a an exclusively right-wing phenomenon.
- pii 6y ago
  "I won't acknowledge that neo-nazis are a problem" Sorry, did I misunderstand you?
sgtnoodle 6y ago
You aren't coming across as genuine, though. Textual communication loses a lot of subtlety, but you figuratively started screaming mid-sentence. Is it fair to assume that people in the past have treated you like a dangerous person? Were you screaming at them? Were you trying to shame them into condemning something, thus forcing them to either submit themselves to you, or seemingly be implicated as the terrible thing you're calling them to condemn? If you really intended to be genuine in your desire to find common ground with folk of differing political views from your own, I once again invite you to share your personal beliefs on the topic of societal damage caused by data breaches, or your thoughts on the recent GME stock market manipulation.
- pii 6y ago
  Hey, I'm willing to have that discussion, sure. I am accepting the challenge to accept the rules of engagement you dictated. Are you willing to accept the challenge of accepting the rules of engagement I put forth - Acknowledge that neo-nazis are a problem, briefly state why? --- I think the GME stuff is a bit nuts, personally. I found the whole thing entertaining, but I find it hard to believe that most participants won't be hurt in some way in the long run. I'm not sure how much small time investors understand that. Optimistically, maybe this is a collective learning experience that does minimal harm to a large number of people, and we all come away from the experience with a better idea of how the stock market works. Maybe then we can make better informed electoral decisions? Feels a bit too optimistic, but hey. Better than meme stocks vs hedge funds, imo, would be to have a working system for accountability and enforcement at the SEC- been lacking for decades, from what I understand. ------- Societal damage caused by data breaches. Idk, it's a bit large as a topic. Do I like that a bunch of personal data just got dumped? Not the biggest fan, no. I wouldn't want it to happen to me, certainly. I do think it's useful to have the data there to show how much the platform is for hate and organizing around hate. It seems like there should be a better way to expose this kind of thing. ---- I'd be surprised if you also engage in a genuine discussion on your own terms. I love surprises, but I've been on the internet long enough not to expect them.
  - Krisando 6y ago
    > I do think it's useful to have the data there to show how much the platform is for hate and organizing around hate. I think for a proper useful evaluation, we equally need to see a similar full dump from other platforms like Facebook, Twitter etc. who are the standard when it comes to social media. I am personally not too convinced the content is that different, but rather some platforms just have more diverse political allegiances.