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If Nintendo didn't disdain indie developers so much, this would be a much more exciting announcement. This kind of innovative thinking is wasted on the mega cor

If Nintendo didn't disdain indie developers so much, this would be a much more exciting announcement. This kind of innovative thinking is wasted on the mega corporations who hardly take advantage of it.

jpablo 15y ago
Didn't Nintendo opened up to small devs with WiiWare ?
- alanfalcon 15y ago
  I was thinking of Fils-Amie saying the 3DS "isn't for unproven indies". I suppose it would make sense if the WiiWare model carried over to Wii U. http://www.develop-online.net/news/37379/Nintendo-3DS-isnt-a-platform-for-unproven-indies http://www.develop-online.net/news/37379/Nintendo-3DS-isnt-a...
- jbermudes 15y ago
  While the WiiWare SDK is a lot cheaper than previous kits, Ninntendo still has you jump through the hoop of being a registered and licensed developer with a business office and a secure facility to store the development kit/hardware. So while it may open the doors to some smaller studios, it's still generally outside of the reach of most "indie" devs compared to the iphone app store.
- wccrawford 15y ago
  Smaller companies, anyhow. It's not like the Android market where just about anyone can publish a game.
mortenjorck 15y ago
If Apple puts out an SDK for the Apple TV in September, things could get exciting pretty fast.
- nicholas1987 15y ago
  Apple is on a 3 year product cycle, so I wouldn't count on it, but you never know: 1998- iMac; 2001- OSX/iPod; 2003/4- iTunes; 2007- iPhone; 2010- iPad; 2013 ?????
  - zdw 15y ago
    Probably because the iPad has an SDK and the comment didn't make sense as a result. HN tends to be kinda rough on technical inaccuracy.
    - nicholas1987 15y ago
      Actually your comment is the one that is technically inaccurate, why would Apple wait a year and a half to launch an SDK. All I pointed out was that Apple's big launches come in 3 year cycles, it wouldn't fit for a TV SDK to launch now, or anytime soon.
      - younata 15y ago
        From the guidelines: "Resist complaining about being downmodded. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading." So far, the only device (that I'm aware of) from Apple that had a wait between the product launch and the sdk launch was the original iphone. Everything else, as far as I know, had an sdk launched way before the product was launched. As for your downvotes: I'm sorry, but as has been stated previously, we value technical accuracy.
        nicholas1987 15y ago
        You're agreeing with me and proving my point:"So far, the only device (that I'm aware of) from Apple that had a wait between the product launch and the sdk launch was the original iphone. Everything else, as far as I know, had an sdk launched way before the product was launched." That's exactly my point, so thanks for agreeing with me. I don't think there was anything wrong or inaccurate with my comment--anyone guessing why Apple does or doesn't do something is going to have fairly equal odds. Also for your smugness, not needed, not helpful, not necessary. And, Michael Brindle-- you're not even logically consistent: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2622617 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2622617 I guess I shouldn't feel bad though, you're not exactly brilliant yourself: http://www.okcupid.com:900/profile/younata http://www.okcupid.com:900/profile/younata http://twitter.com/#!/younata http://twitter.com/#!/younata http://younata.blogspot.com/ http://younata.blogspot.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/younata http://www.youtube.com/user/younata https://github.com/younata https://github.com/younata http://www.last.fm/user/younata http://www.last.fm/user/younata http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2861 http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php?action=profile;u... http://blog.michaelbrindle.com/ http://blog.michaelbrindle.com/ http://www.gaiaonline.com/profiles/younata/501513/ http://www.gaiaonline.com/profiles/younata/501513/ http://morde.deviantart.com/art/Younata-44411069 http://morde.deviantart.com/art/Younata-44411069
icefox 15y ago
Who is to say indie's can't do this with the existing tablets that are out there today? http://benjamin-meyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/tablet-tv-games.html http://benjamin-meyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/tablet-tv-games.h...
v21 15y ago
I agree. Watching this, I start thinking of all the exciting shit I could do with it. But I'm not a company with a contract with Ninty. So i won't. Hopefully the protocol is easy enough to decipher, and I can start using it as a remote control for the PC hooked up to my TV.
Roritharr 15y ago
For me these colliding principles are heartbreaking. I've been playing Nintendo games since i was 3, and always wanted to work in the Videogame industry, but it seems to get your own games onto a Nintendo platform you need a lot of money or accept the fact that it will only run on jailbreaked consoles and people will live for free. I was really hoping Nintendo would jump at the Android possibilities that were opening up, but it was Sony who went and did the right thing...
kmfrk 15y ago
I basically gave up on Nintendo after the N64; all Nintendo is about nowadays is releasing Metroid 13, Mario 59, Zelda 32, in whichever conceivable permutations. There's no wonder that they want to innovate the hardware, because the games remain the same. Zelda almost feels like the Lorem Ipsum and Hello World of Nintendo, when they want to demo their new platforms. And I think they just announced an HD-cum-3D version of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time. Jeez.
- dddrh 15y ago
  Keep in mind that last year was the 25th anniversary of the original Mario Bros. This year is the 25th for Legend of Zelda, and next year the 25th for Metroid. While it does seem that they are rehashing old IP (and I agree that they are) they also have a slight incentive to push out permutations of their successful franchises here in the next few years.

jpablo 15y ago

Didn't Nintendo opened up to small devs with WiiWare ?

alanfalcon 15y ago
I was thinking of Fils-Amie saying the 3DS "isn't for unproven indies". I suppose it would make sense if the WiiWare model carried over to Wii U. http://www.develop-online.net/news/37379/Nintendo-3DS-isnt-a-platform-for-unproven-indies http://www.develop-online.net/news/37379/Nintendo-3DS-isnt-a...
jbermudes 15y ago
While the WiiWare SDK is a lot cheaper than previous kits, Ninntendo still has you jump through the hoop of being a registered and licensed developer with a business office and a secure facility to store the development kit/hardware. So while it may open the doors to some smaller studios, it's still generally outside of the reach of most "indie" devs compared to the iphone app store.
wccrawford 15y ago
Smaller companies, anyhow. It's not like the Android market where just about anyone can publish a game.

mortenjorck 15y ago

If Apple puts out an SDK for the Apple TV in September, things could get exciting pretty fast.

nicholas1987 15y ago
Apple is on a 3 year product cycle, so I wouldn't count on it, but you never know: 1998- iMac; 2001- OSX/iPod; 2003/4- iTunes; 2007- iPhone; 2010- iPad; 2013 ?????
- zdw 15y ago
  Probably because the iPad has an SDK and the comment didn't make sense as a result. HN tends to be kinda rough on technical inaccuracy.
  - nicholas1987 15y ago
    Actually your comment is the one that is technically inaccurate, why would Apple wait a year and a half to launch an SDK. All I pointed out was that Apple's big launches come in 3 year cycles, it wouldn't fit for a TV SDK to launch now, or anytime soon.
    - younata 15y ago
      From the guidelines: "Resist complaining about being downmodded. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading." So far, the only device (that I'm aware of) from Apple that had a wait between the product launch and the sdk launch was the original iphone. Everything else, as far as I know, had an sdk launched way before the product was launched. As for your downvotes: I'm sorry, but as has been stated previously, we value technical accuracy.
      - nicholas1987 15y ago
        You're agreeing with me and proving my point:"So far, the only device (that I'm aware of) from Apple that had a wait between the product launch and the sdk launch was the original iphone. Everything else, as far as I know, had an sdk launched way before the product was launched." That's exactly my point, so thanks for agreeing with me. I don't think there was anything wrong or inaccurate with my comment--anyone guessing why Apple does or doesn't do something is going to have fairly equal odds. Also for your smugness, not needed, not helpful, not necessary. And, Michael Brindle-- you're not even logically consistent: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2622617 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2622617 I guess I shouldn't feel bad though, you're not exactly brilliant yourself: http://www.okcupid.com:900/profile/younata http://www.okcupid.com:900/profile/younata http://twitter.com/#!/younata http://twitter.com/#!/younata http://younata.blogspot.com/ http://younata.blogspot.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/younata http://www.youtube.com/user/younata https://github.com/younata https://github.com/younata http://www.last.fm/user/younata http://www.last.fm/user/younata http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2861 http://forums.humansvszombies.org/index.php?action=profile;u... http://blog.michaelbrindle.com/ http://blog.michaelbrindle.com/ http://www.gaiaonline.com/profiles/younata/501513/ http://www.gaiaonline.com/profiles/younata/501513/ http://morde.deviantart.com/art/Younata-44411069 http://morde.deviantart.com/art/Younata-44411069

icefox 15y ago

Who is to say indie's can't do this with the existing tablets that are out there today? http://benjamin-meyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/tablet-tv-games.html http://benjamin-meyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/tablet-tv-games.h...

v21 15y ago

I agree. Watching this, I start thinking of all the exciting shit I could do with it. But I'm not a company with a contract with Ninty. So i won't. Hopefully the protocol is easy enough to decipher, and I can start using it as a remote control for the PC hooked up to my TV.

Roritharr 15y ago

For me these colliding principles are heartbreaking. I've been playing Nintendo games since i was 3, and always wanted to work in the Videogame industry, but it seems to get your own games onto a Nintendo platform you need a lot of money or accept the fact that it will only run on jailbreaked consoles and people will live for free. I was really hoping Nintendo would jump at the Android possibilities that were opening up, but it was Sony who went and did the right thing...

kmfrk 15y ago

I basically gave up on Nintendo after the N64; all Nintendo is about nowadays is releasing Metroid 13, Mario 59, Zelda 32, in whichever conceivable permutations. There's no wonder that they want to innovate the hardware, because the games remain the same. Zelda almost feels like the Lorem Ipsum and Hello World of Nintendo, when they want to demo their new platforms. And I think they just announced an HD-cum-3D version of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time. Jeez.

dddrh 15y ago
Keep in mind that last year was the 25th anniversary of the original Mario Bros. This year is the 25th for Legend of Zelda, and next year the 25th for Metroid. While it does seem that they are rehashing old IP (and I agree that they are) they also have a slight incentive to push out permutations of their successful franchises here in the next few years.