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I think people need to realize you’re getting a terrible deal when you give Lambda School x% of your earnings at your first job. Also as someone who went to col

I think people need to realize you’re getting a terrible deal when you give Lambda School x% of your earnings at your first job. Also as someone who went to college and paid for it myself these bootcamps are detracting from my American Dream because they’re empowering corporations to pay lower salaries to everyone because they have boot camp grads eager to be paid lower wages. Other specialized fields don’t allow this and for good reason, it’s really rather frustrating to those who went through the rigors of earning a degree to have to compete with someone who has an education that isn’t certified by the education system.

nradov 6y ago
Is this a joke or are you being serious? The last thing we need is a mandatory certification program for software developers. If employers aren't willing to pay you extra for your degree then that's your problem. All that matters is ability to do the work.
- alexfromapex 6y ago
  No, it's not a joke. In fact, many developers agree: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#developer-profile-formal-education-importance https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#developer-pro...
jbwyme 6y ago
I believe tech is still largely a meritocracy. If you think you should be paid more than someone, you should prove it with impact. If the goal of your education was compensation and your education doesn’t enable you to have more impact than a boot camp grad, then you overpaid.
smoll 6y ago
> I think people need to realize you’re getting a terrible deal when you give Lambda School x% of your earnings at your first job To people who have other options, yes, it's a bad deal. But to those who have no way of navigating those options, like the people mentioned in the article, fundamentally changing your options landscape in exchange for a fixed percentage of an income bump you never would have realized otherwise is a fantastic deal. I say this as a largely self-taught programmer who at one time considered giving away a huge chunk of 2 years of salary in exchange for a programming bootcamp + apprenticeship type of opportunity (this was a few years before bootcamps became a mainstream thing). It was extremely tempting and many times on my self-taught journey I second-guessed whether I could figure it out on my own and TBH, without an extremely high level of self-confidence in my intelligence and scrappiness, I probably wouldn't have figured it out on my own.

nradov 6y ago

Is this a joke or are you being serious? The last thing we need is a mandatory certification program for software developers. If employers aren't willing to pay you extra for your degree then that's your problem. All that matters is ability to do the work.

alexfromapex 6y ago
No, it's not a joke. In fact, many developers agree: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#developer-profile-formal-education-importance https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#developer-pro...

jbwyme 6y ago

I believe tech is still largely a meritocracy. If you think you should be paid more than someone, you should prove it with impact. If the goal of your education was compensation and your education doesn’t enable you to have more impact than a boot camp grad, then you overpaid.

smoll 6y ago

> I think people need to realize you’re getting a terrible deal when you give Lambda School x% of your earnings at your first job To people who have other options, yes, it's a bad deal. But to those who have no way of navigating those options, like the people mentioned in the article, fundamentally changing your options landscape in exchange for a fixed percentage of an income bump you never would have realized otherwise is a fantastic deal. I say this as a largely self-taught programmer who at one time considered giving away a huge chunk of 2 years of salary in exchange for a programming bootcamp + apprenticeship type of opportunity (this was a few years before bootcamps became a mainstream thing). It was extremely tempting and many times on my self-taught journey I second-guessed whether I could figure it out on my own and TBH, without an extremely high level of self-confidence in my intelligence and scrappiness, I probably wouldn't have figured it out on my own.