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Please don't do this. This is a horrible way to train dogs, and not only is the efficacy questionable but it will very likely lead to behavioral issues down th

Please don't do this. This is a horrible way to train dogs, and not only is the efficacy questionable but it will very likely lead to behavioral issues down the line.

wombatmobile 6y ago
It's not a horrible way to train dogs. What is horrible is the image you have in your mind of what I am saying, which is a misunderstanding.
- Judgmentality 6y ago
  Please don't double down. I've raised several dogs, and fostered at least a dozen throughout my life. I am regularly the "last guy" for problem dogs because nobody else knows how to handle them, and have dealt with many dogs who have attacked humans (and I have been bit many times dealing with these dogs). I saw from your other comment that you learned this from Cesar Milan. Well like most celebrities, his advice can actually be harmful. You have to realize this entire guy's job is to sell you himself so he can make money from his brand. https://medium.com/@vandanni.hadai/cesar-millan-the-problem-with-his-approach-and-the-future-of-dog-training-49dd8cddb391 https://medium.com/@vandanni.hadai/cesar-millan-the-problem-... EDIT: Redacted recommendation based on comment. Normally I'd leave it, but if there's even a 5% chance that comment in the reply is true I do not want to encourage it. Instead, try this book: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761168850 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761168850
  - dagmx 6y ago
    Quite a few people in the dog community aren't fans of canine intervention either. https://www.reddit.com/r/puppy101/comments/lrok2i/whats_everyones_thoughts_on_the_canine/ https://www.reddit.com/r/puppy101/comments/lrok2i/whats_ever... He's just another Cesar like trainer, just for a slightly newer age. I'd recommend not following his advice either, and consulting more positive reinforcement based behaviorists.
    - Judgmentality 6y ago
      Have any good recommendations? Based on what I saw, he was focused around positive-reinforcement. But I only watched 2 episodes. It was clear the show was edited, but it didn't seem nefarious. Let's see if we agree on this. I recommend this book, do you (I'm not trying to pick a fight, just trying to see if/where we agree)? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761168850 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761168850
      - dagmx 6y ago
        Unfortunately I haven't read that book to be able to comment. It does sound promising? My wife recommends https://www.amazon.com/How-Behave-Your-Dog-Behaves/dp/0793806445 https://www.amazon.com/How-Behave-Your-Dog-Behaves/dp/079380... as a book. In terms of shows, there's unfortunately not a ton of positive reinforcement shows, at least that I can think of. Possibly because it's more work and less short term magic. The shows with Victoria Stilwell are probably the most prominent as a positive reinforcement show. Though perhaps a little dated. Supposedly she has a YouTube channel where she corrects her past episodes based on more modern thinking. The puppy101 Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/puppy101/wiki/subadmin/trainers https://www.reddit.com/r/puppy101/wiki/subadmin/trainers ) generally has some good content listed, and I see they've listed Larry Kay there. So I'm inclined to think I'd be pro the book you linked just based on the other recommendations on there.
        Judgmentality 6y ago
        Thanks, I appreciate it. Cheers.
  - wombatmobile 6y ago
    > Please don't double down. I don't understand what you mean by that phrase. In the context of my comment, it is a non-sequitur. You're not really conversing with me. You are conversing with yourself.
  - amelius 6y ago
    > have dealt with many dogs who have attacked humans (and I have been bit many times dealing with these dogs) As a non-dog person, may I ask how I can best deal with a dog attacking me?
    - juanani 6y ago
      Not OP, but never turn your back and run - to a growling dog. I was once stuck with an unfriendly pitbull in a high fenced backyard(the dog's backyard). Once it is staring and growling at you, try to slowly back out of its territory. You will definitely find it hard to take your eyes off it. Stand your ground in full posture, get ready for it to launch at you. Dodge hard left or hard right while throwing your hands infront of you (only if you have thick sleeves), I luckily had a thick winter coat and it nibbed the sleeve as I jumped hard left (Kind of like the matadors). It recovered and got back to the low growl staring contest before launching again. It also matters where you position yourself, after it launches their inertia takes them some time to recover which gives you time to get closer to your exit. Just a few more of these and you are on your way out of trouble. The owner luckily came out after it's second launch at me. It launched again at our hands when I tried to shake the owners hand to show I am friendly (not a great idea once they think you aren't). He keeps telling all my friends I am afraid of dogs.. The dog was calm and peaceful when I had entered the yard, I made the mistake of pulling my hoody over my head, it did not recognize me as the same person after that. Don't change your appearance especially when on foreign territory. Looking back, the thought of fighting it physically never crossed my mind - I got tense and recognized I shouldn't show fear or my back. Once I figured I could survive dodging side to side, it was a relief. TLDR - Dont turn your back, get ready to dodge and move as many times as it takes, also avoid changing appearance on foreign dog territory.
      - amelius 6y ago
        Thanks. I think this kind of info should be part of self-defense classes. By the way, I read that dogs have no muscles in their belly area, so especially sensitive/vulnerable there. Not sure what to do with that info though.

Please don't do this. This is a horrible way to train dogs, and not only is the efficacy questionable but it will very likely lead to behavioral issues down the line.

wombatmobile 6y ago

It's not a horrible way to train dogs. What is horrible is the image you have in your mind of what I am saying, which is a misunderstanding.

Judgmentality 6y ago
Please don't double down. I've raised several dogs, and fostered at least a dozen throughout my life. I am regularly the "last guy" for problem dogs because nobody else knows how to handle them, and have dealt with many dogs who have attacked humans (and I have been bit many times dealing with these dogs). I saw from your other comment that you learned this from Cesar Milan. Well like most celebrities, his advice can actually be harmful. You have to realize this entire guy's job is to sell you himself so he can make money from his brand. https://medium.com/@vandanni.hadai/cesar-millan-the-problem-with-his-approach-and-the-future-of-dog-training-49dd8cddb391 https://medium.com/@vandanni.hadai/cesar-millan-the-problem-... EDIT: Redacted recommendation based on comment. Normally I'd leave it, but if there's even a 5% chance that comment in the reply is true I do not want to encourage it. Instead, try this book: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761168850 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761168850
- dagmx 6y ago
  Quite a few people in the dog community aren't fans of canine intervention either. https://www.reddit.com/r/puppy101/comments/lrok2i/whats_everyones_thoughts_on_the_canine/ https://www.reddit.com/r/puppy101/comments/lrok2i/whats_ever... He's just another Cesar like trainer, just for a slightly newer age. I'd recommend not following his advice either, and consulting more positive reinforcement based behaviorists.
  - Judgmentality 6y ago
    Have any good recommendations? Based on what I saw, he was focused around positive-reinforcement. But I only watched 2 episodes. It was clear the show was edited, but it didn't seem nefarious. Let's see if we agree on this. I recommend this book, do you (I'm not trying to pick a fight, just trying to see if/where we agree)? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761168850 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761168850
    - dagmx 6y ago
      Unfortunately I haven't read that book to be able to comment. It does sound promising? My wife recommends https://www.amazon.com/How-Behave-Your-Dog-Behaves/dp/0793806445 https://www.amazon.com/How-Behave-Your-Dog-Behaves/dp/079380... as a book. In terms of shows, there's unfortunately not a ton of positive reinforcement shows, at least that I can think of. Possibly because it's more work and less short term magic. The shows with Victoria Stilwell are probably the most prominent as a positive reinforcement show. Though perhaps a little dated. Supposedly she has a YouTube channel where she corrects her past episodes based on more modern thinking. The puppy101 Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/puppy101/wiki/subadmin/trainers https://www.reddit.com/r/puppy101/wiki/subadmin/trainers ) generally has some good content listed, and I see they've listed Larry Kay there. So I'm inclined to think I'd be pro the book you linked just based on the other recommendations on there.
      - Judgmentality 6y ago
        Thanks, I appreciate it. Cheers.
- wombatmobile 6y ago
  > Please don't double down. I don't understand what you mean by that phrase. In the context of my comment, it is a non-sequitur. You're not really conversing with me. You are conversing with yourself.
- amelius 6y ago
  > have dealt with many dogs who have attacked humans (and I have been bit many times dealing with these dogs) As a non-dog person, may I ask how I can best deal with a dog attacking me?
  - juanani 6y ago
    Not OP, but never turn your back and run - to a growling dog. I was once stuck with an unfriendly pitbull in a high fenced backyard(the dog's backyard). Once it is staring and growling at you, try to slowly back out of its territory. You will definitely find it hard to take your eyes off it. Stand your ground in full posture, get ready for it to launch at you. Dodge hard left or hard right while throwing your hands infront of you (only if you have thick sleeves), I luckily had a thick winter coat and it nibbed the sleeve as I jumped hard left (Kind of like the matadors). It recovered and got back to the low growl staring contest before launching again. It also matters where you position yourself, after it launches their inertia takes them some time to recover which gives you time to get closer to your exit. Just a few more of these and you are on your way out of trouble. The owner luckily came out after it's second launch at me. It launched again at our hands when I tried to shake the owners hand to show I am friendly (not a great idea once they think you aren't). He keeps telling all my friends I am afraid of dogs.. The dog was calm and peaceful when I had entered the yard, I made the mistake of pulling my hoody over my head, it did not recognize me as the same person after that. Don't change your appearance especially when on foreign territory. Looking back, the thought of fighting it physically never crossed my mind - I got tense and recognized I shouldn't show fear or my back. Once I figured I could survive dodging side to side, it was a relief. TLDR - Dont turn your back, get ready to dodge and move as many times as it takes, also avoid changing appearance on foreign dog territory.
    - amelius 6y ago
      Thanks. I think this kind of info should be part of self-defense classes. By the way, I read that dogs have no muscles in their belly area, so especially sensitive/vulnerable there. Not sure what to do with that info though.