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I have also switched back to Linux after about 8 years in Mac world, and have been really pleasantly surprised. Things still aren’t perfect, but they’re a far c

I have also switched back to Linux after about 8 years in Mac world, and have been really pleasantly surprised. Things still aren’t perfect, but they’re a far cry from where they were in 2010. My wife and I recently got a new Lenovo ThinkPad and Dell XPS, respectively, both with Linux preinstalled. The fingerprint readers work! The webcams work! Audio works! Wifi works! All with close to zero hassle (had to enable a PAM option to use the fingerprint reader with sudo, but otherwise no problems). I miss MacOS keyboard shortcuts a bit, but most of the software I use for work and personal projects (emacs, terminal/tmux, docker) runs an order of magnitude faster. I love having a real package manager again, and I get first class support for most of the developer-centric tooling I really care about (e.g. Nix). I like many was a little tempted by the M1 Macs, but seeing two coworkers have to switch away from them because critical dev tooling isn’t functional, reading about the SSD write issues recently, and now this about the insane size of update files helps temper the temptation.

jagger27 6y ago
Keyboard shortcuts are a big sticking point for me switching away from macOS. I expected I could wrestle Linux into something that resembles macOS shortcuts but it’s tricky and inconsistent. The clearest example of where macOS excels with shortcuts is in a terminal window: Command+C for copy, Control+C to kill a process. Control+Shift+C just doesn’t cut it for me on Linux. I agree with you on software. Real package managers are great. I hate to say it, because it’s so against what Linux has been for 25 years, but it would be great if there was a $99 distro with a heavily tweaked window manager that looks consistent across most apps, doesn’t have huge top bars, and conforms to macOS keyboard shortcuts. A lightning fast Spotlight analog would be great too. I recognize I can probably get pretty close to this vision with a patchwork of already available software but I want someone to tie a bow on it and maintain it for me.
- smallstepforman 6y ago
  You just described Haiku
  - artificial 6y ago
    Oh, what could’ve been. I really like what BeOS does, I’m sure there are analogs to this feature but it’s nice that it’s built in. https://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/node_monitoring https://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/node_monitoring
- smoldesu 6y ago
  I'm not going to use this as a platform to evangelize Linux, but I think you should give KDE a look. It looks really pretty out-of-the-box, and offers you a lot of control over the look and feel of your desktop. On top of that, it has a nearly endless list of keyboard shortcuts that can be rebound in the settings app painlessly. It's a far-cry from a lot of the other DEs I've used in the past, and the "batteries-included" mentality makes it a great analog for Mac and Windows users alike.
  - kitsunesoba 6y ago
    KDE has a lot going for it but its customizability is so deep as to be daunting. Each time I've tried using it I've ended up burning hours trying to get every detail just right. I think it'd benefit quite a lot from including several sane sets of defaults to use as starting points.
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    - pnutjam 6y ago
      Opensuse has an excellent default kde.
      - eitland 6y ago
        Same with Neon IMO (it is developed by KDE people).
    - powersnail 6y ago
      The most recent update---a pretty big one---has improved the daunting experience a lot. A big factor of it being daunting, was that the settings were a mess. There are settings for appearances of the DE littered in different sections of system settings. This has been vastly improved. The default Breeze theme felt dated before (not in a good way); the new update had also improved on that. I'd say, that the default of the latest Plasma (5.21) is quite sane, to the point that I just chose Breeze Twilight (an included theme) without customization and had been happy since.
- iso1210 6y ago
  Why would I press a key to copy/paste? Highlight text, then middle click
  - jagger27 6y ago
    Muscle memory, no middle click on most trackpads. It just feels weird coming from a browser after using Control+C to copy something and then having to use Control+Shift+V to paste. I never got used to the right click to paste paradigm. I expect a context menu.
    - iso1210 6y ago
      I've never used a non-mac laptop without a middle button. Muscle memory and 'the way things work' works both ways. You have to jump through hoops to do basic things like focus-follows-mouse/raise on click, multiple desktops, alt-drag to move a window etc (to be honest I'm not sure if you can even do those on a mac)
      - jagger27 6y ago
        ThinkPads are what I reach for on the PC side of things, and those still have a dedicated middle button for the most part. Otherwise I can't think of a single modern example of a laptop with a middle button. They're all click pads these days like Macs.
        folmar 6y ago
        The standard unix 3rd button emulation is left+right click at the same time. Should work pretty much everywhere without configuration.
        magikaram 6y ago
        In the case of "tap to click", a 3 finger tap would also emulate this, or as a middle mouse click.
    - 6y ago
- folmar 6y ago
  You have a modifier key "Super", probably with Windows logo, which you can remap for the shortcuts you've had with command.
- kuon 6y ago
  When I switched from Mac to Linux a few years back, I also had this issue. My solution was radical, I switched to i3 and configured many, many customized shortcuts. Having to "re-learn" nearly everything made it easier because I was forcing a learning curve.
- mplanchard 6y ago
  Mostly I get by well enough by switching alt to ctrl, meta to alt, and ctrl to meta, plus caps lock mapped to ctrl. This gives me mostly an approximation of the Mac keyboard. Still have to remember the shift when copying and pasting in the terminal, but that’s not a huge deal because most of my terminal use is via emacs, where I have vim mode via evil, so copy and paste is done in normal mode with y and p. For me,a little bit of frustration with the keyboard is not so bad compared to the upsides.
  - jagger27 6y ago
    I do Caps Lock to Control too, which frees up the bottom left key as a Function key on external keyboards.
  - Tyr42 6y ago
    This, plus I just gave up and mapped ctrl+v to paste in terminal directly. Also alt-tab is now windows+tab, which is close enough.
- elcritch 6y ago
  I feel the pain. Unfortunately I gave up trying to get Firefox to understand/use super or hyper as command keys. Mostly however I get by fine with caps lock set as control with the exception of VSCode with the Vim plug-in overriding ctrl-c/ctrl-v and breaking copy/paste. Of course VSCode doesn't support super/hyper instead of control key on Linux.
  - kps 6y ago
    Firefox _used to_ handle it (ui.key.accelKey = 91) but it's been buggy since Quantum.
- perryizgr8 6y ago
  > Control+Shift+C just doesn’t cut it for me on Linux. Use middle click.
- horsawlarway 6y ago
  Gnome terminal and all its derivatives support ctrl-c and ctrl-v natively for copy/paste if you just set those as the keybindings in its preferences. It then uses smart detection for when to send SIGINT vs copy/paste. if there's no running process, it copies on ctrl-c If there's a running process and no selected text, it sends sigint on ctrl-c If there's a running process and selected text, it copies It will always send sigint on ctrl-shift-c --- Frankly I wish they would just default to that setting. It's much more pleasant to use than having to remember a different copy/paste shortcut for working in the terminal. One of the first things I change on any new machine I setup for desktop use.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 6y ago
  You can customize the entirety of the to of a terminal. I understand that this might be annoying, but macOS has it's fair share of "screwed up shortcuts" in spots that are not customizable easily (I did, with heavy use of a custom Karabiner config). The main one is word navigation/word selection/word deletion, which are not located all on the same modifiers (cmd), like it is on windows and linux
GekkePrutser 6y ago
Indeed, I switched to Mac in 2004 because Linux was a horrible UX mess at that point. Mac was a great POSIX system with a consistent UI and major first-party apps. Now Apple is becoming more and more unworkable to use as a unix system, and Linux is really much better now. Only gap is still first-party software unfortunately but luckily I don't really ever need stuff like photoshop and office personally.
- shrimp_emoji 6y ago
  > luckily I don't really ever need stuff like ... office If you do, check out CrossOver: https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover It's a straight up Microsoft Office suite clone for Mac and Linux, which can open, save, AND create MSOffice formats (.docx, etc.).
  - lights0123 6y ago
    Huh? CrossOver is just a Wine fork with a GUI. It's not an Office suite. You can install the real MS Office on it, but it has no actual office applications built-in.
  - nyolfen 6y ago
    are you thinking of libreoffice?
kitsunesoba 6y ago
As someone who's mainly been a macOS user in the past couple decades but regularly uses Windows and Linux, I find that the number of papercuts, sharp edges, and lack of consistency in the desktop Linux experience is still too high for my taste. It's certainly much better than it used to be but still has a way to go. But then again, I have little need to tweak system internals.
- fsflover 6y ago
  I downvoted you for the lack of details. What you are saying can be said about any system, just change the name. Even about Mac.
  - kitsunesoba 6y ago
    Fair enough, but if I elaborated much it'd quickly turn into a blogpost. In attempt to sum things up, I'd say that many of the woes of the modern Linux desktop stem from being stuck between different worlds — one example would be with the X11 vs. Wayland situation. Wayland has slowly been improving over time, but there are still concessions that are being made by using either. I understand that transitions are difficult and that particular case is being made more difficult by parties like Nvidia, but the end result is a degraded end-user experience that won't be fixed until the transition is over.
    - smoldesu 6y ago
      The easiest fix for this issue is to not use Wayland, like 99% of users. I'm not sure who gave you the idea that Wayland is production ready, but it's certainly not going to see prime-time Linux for another few years.
      - kitsunesoba 6y ago
        Ubuntu 21.04 will be using Wayland by default for non-Nvidia users, which would suggest that it's not far off. There are also configurations that are better supported by Wayland than X11, not to mention Wayland handles things like trackpad gestures better (which at this point, X11 is never going to get better at), so even if it's not yet production ready there are reasons why some might want to use it.
dehrmann 6y ago
I just tried the latest Ubuntu on an X1 Carbon and was disappointed. At first it was looking good, but then the warts started to show through. I could live with some of the problems, but I had to do some searching to learn that the reason Firefox scrolling was laggy was I was using a non-standard hidpi scale factor, the UI froze multiple times in just a few days, and it felt all around glitchier.
- mhitza 6y ago
  1. Maybe give Kubuntu a try. Have not used Gnome in many years now, but when I did, lag was a given. 2. Have you setup full disk encryption? Unless tweaked (thanks to Cloudflare kernel patches) dm-crypt will cause short system freezes. 3. Firefox is still an unfortunate story on Linux. Still no hardware acceleration enabled by default (and just in the last year, I think, made toggleable universally in about:config)
  - dehrmann 6y ago
    2. Ah, I did set it up (and it had to do it by hand to dual boot). It's just all these things added up--they're table stakes for an OS.
    - mhitza 6y ago
      As a pro, at least, dual booting with Linux is still straighforward. I guess other OSes can't compete there. I have to admit that otherwise its not all roses in Linuxland. Fedora for example, a couple of versions ago switched their upgrade peocedure to the awful download now, reboot system and wait for updates to complete. Basically upgrades feel like Window upgrades now. Maybe that's the way they want to "force" users to swith to Fedora Silverblue :)
  - rstuart4133 6y ago
    Or, you could just install Debian. Then install all the windowing environments you find interesting. No "swap to Kubuntu" required, just start a different window manager. Hell, run all of them simultaneously on the same install using a VNC server.
bitwize 6y ago
> The fingerprint readers work! The webcams work! Audio works! Wifi works! All with close to zero hassle (had to enable a PAM option to use the fingerprint reader with sudo, but otherwise no problems). You're happy now, but wait until you try using the trackpads. There's only one company in the world that cares enough about ergonomic fit and finish to make a laptop that's actually pleasant to use over long periods of time: Apple. The kinks will be worked out with the M1s and macOS in general, and then Linux will look like the joke it is by comparison again.
- smoldesu 6y ago
  Honestly, a mediocre trackpad is a small price to pay for an ethically sourced system. Considering I do 90% of my work with a mouse, I've never really missed using MacOS. The touch-based metaphors only hurt mouse users anyways.
- mplanchard 6y ago
  Fwiw I don’t mind the trackpad on my XPS or my wife’s ThinkPad at all. Two finger scrolling works just fine, I’ve set up trackpad gestures to go into the overview and switch between workspaces (three finger swipes), and I don’t have any problem moving the cursor around or clicking on things. I do try to use the mouse as little as possible on whatever system I’m using, but even when I have to, it’s no problem. Just as a point of comparison, I don’t think the trackpads on these machines are anywhere near as much worse (for me) compared to the MacBooks as the keyboards on the MacBooks on the past couple of generations (2018? whenever they added the zero travel keyboards that constantly broke) were compared to literally any other keyboard.
- loughnane 6y ago
  I’ve got Debian on an X1 carbon and everything is flawless. I wouldn’t doubt that mac’s trackpad is still slightly better by some measure but any difference is in the noise for me.
alsetmusic 6y ago
> I like many was a little tempted by the M1 Macs If you’re interested in the gains on the M1 but dissatisfied with macOS, I encourage supporting the development of native Linux on M1, Asahi Linux. Please contribute however you can. I can’t do the groundwork, so I joined up on Patreon. https://asahilinux.org/ https://asahilinux.org/
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Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
Others have spoken about how the Linux experience have improved vastly due KDE Plasma et al. I think something which has been part and parcel of the Linux experience always been the latency(From opening apps to performing other tasks), that's what made it usable on even older hardware and I feel it's underrated. I switched from Kaby Lake-based Core i5 MacBook Pro to Kaby Lake-based Core i5 Linux laptop half the cost due to the Big Sur issues and the productivity has improved several fold. The apps just opens at the blink of an eye, A phrase often used to describe M1 based Macs is absolutely applicable to my Linux experience after switching from a Mac. Further with KVM, large enough RAM VMs run like any other apps without bogging down the system.
m463 6y ago
We should really be thankful of that one guy in france who got linux working with a variety of cameras.

jagger27 6y ago

Keyboard shortcuts are a big sticking point for me switching away from macOS. I expected I could wrestle Linux into something that resembles macOS shortcuts but it’s tricky and inconsistent. The clearest example of where macOS excels with shortcuts is in a terminal window: Command+C for copy, Control+C to kill a process. Control+Shift+C just doesn’t cut it for me on Linux. I agree with you on software. Real package managers are great. I hate to say it, because it’s so against what Linux has been for 25 years, but it would be great if there was a $99 distro with a heavily tweaked window manager that looks consistent across most apps, doesn’t have huge top bars, and conforms to macOS keyboard shortcuts. A lightning fast Spotlight analog would be great too. I recognize I can probably get pretty close to this vision with a patchwork of already available software but I want someone to tie a bow on it and maintain it for me.

smallstepforman 6y ago
You just described Haiku
- artificial 6y ago
  Oh, what could’ve been. I really like what BeOS does, I’m sure there are analogs to this feature but it’s nice that it’s built in. https://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/node_monitoring https://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/node_monitoring
smoldesu 6y ago
I'm not going to use this as a platform to evangelize Linux, but I think you should give KDE a look. It looks really pretty out-of-the-box, and offers you a lot of control over the look and feel of your desktop. On top of that, it has a nearly endless list of keyboard shortcuts that can be rebound in the settings app painlessly. It's a far-cry from a lot of the other DEs I've used in the past, and the "batteries-included" mentality makes it a great analog for Mac and Windows users alike.
- kitsunesoba 6y ago
  KDE has a lot going for it but its customizability is so deep as to be daunting. Each time I've tried using it I've ended up burning hours trying to get every detail just right. I think it'd benefit quite a lot from including several sane sets of defaults to use as starting points.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - pnutjam 6y ago
    Opensuse has an excellent default kde.
    - eitland 6y ago
      Same with Neon IMO (it is developed by KDE people).
  - powersnail 6y ago
    The most recent update---a pretty big one---has improved the daunting experience a lot. A big factor of it being daunting, was that the settings were a mess. There are settings for appearances of the DE littered in different sections of system settings. This has been vastly improved. The default Breeze theme felt dated before (not in a good way); the new update had also improved on that. I'd say, that the default of the latest Plasma (5.21) is quite sane, to the point that I just chose Breeze Twilight (an included theme) without customization and had been happy since.
iso1210 6y ago
Why would I press a key to copy/paste? Highlight text, then middle click
- jagger27 6y ago
  Muscle memory, no middle click on most trackpads. It just feels weird coming from a browser after using Control+C to copy something and then having to use Control+Shift+V to paste. I never got used to the right click to paste paradigm. I expect a context menu.
  - iso1210 6y ago
    I've never used a non-mac laptop without a middle button. Muscle memory and 'the way things work' works both ways. You have to jump through hoops to do basic things like focus-follows-mouse/raise on click, multiple desktops, alt-drag to move a window etc (to be honest I'm not sure if you can even do those on a mac)
    - jagger27 6y ago
      ThinkPads are what I reach for on the PC side of things, and those still have a dedicated middle button for the most part. Otherwise I can't think of a single modern example of a laptop with a middle button. They're all click pads these days like Macs.
      - folmar 6y ago
        The standard unix 3rd button emulation is left+right click at the same time. Should work pretty much everywhere without configuration.
        magikaram 6y ago
        In the case of "tap to click", a 3 finger tap would also emulate this, or as a middle mouse click.
  - 6y ago
folmar 6y ago
You have a modifier key "Super", probably with Windows logo, which you can remap for the shortcuts you've had with command.
kuon 6y ago
When I switched from Mac to Linux a few years back, I also had this issue. My solution was radical, I switched to i3 and configured many, many customized shortcuts. Having to "re-learn" nearly everything made it easier because I was forcing a learning curve.
mplanchard 6y ago
Mostly I get by well enough by switching alt to ctrl, meta to alt, and ctrl to meta, plus caps lock mapped to ctrl. This gives me mostly an approximation of the Mac keyboard. Still have to remember the shift when copying and pasting in the terminal, but that’s not a huge deal because most of my terminal use is via emacs, where I have vim mode via evil, so copy and paste is done in normal mode with y and p. For me,a little bit of frustration with the keyboard is not so bad compared to the upsides.
- jagger27 6y ago
  I do Caps Lock to Control too, which frees up the bottom left key as a Function key on external keyboards.
- Tyr42 6y ago
  This, plus I just gave up and mapped ctrl+v to paste in terminal directly. Also alt-tab is now windows+tab, which is close enough.
elcritch 6y ago
I feel the pain. Unfortunately I gave up trying to get Firefox to understand/use super or hyper as command keys. Mostly however I get by fine with caps lock set as control with the exception of VSCode with the Vim plug-in overriding ctrl-c/ctrl-v and breaking copy/paste. Of course VSCode doesn't support super/hyper instead of control key on Linux.
- kps 6y ago
  Firefox _used to_ handle it (ui.key.accelKey = 91) but it's been buggy since Quantum.
perryizgr8 6y ago
> Control+Shift+C just doesn’t cut it for me on Linux. Use middle click.
horsawlarway 6y ago
Gnome terminal and all its derivatives support ctrl-c and ctrl-v natively for copy/paste if you just set those as the keybindings in its preferences. It then uses smart detection for when to send SIGINT vs copy/paste. if there's no running process, it copies on ctrl-c If there's a running process and no selected text, it sends sigint on ctrl-c If there's a running process and selected text, it copies It will always send sigint on ctrl-shift-c --- Frankly I wish they would just default to that setting. It's much more pleasant to use than having to remember a different copy/paste shortcut for working in the terminal. One of the first things I change on any new machine I setup for desktop use.
Fire-Dragon-DoL 6y ago
You can customize the entirety of the to of a terminal. I understand that this might be annoying, but macOS has it's fair share of "screwed up shortcuts" in spots that are not customizable easily (I did, with heavy use of a custom Karabiner config). The main one is word navigation/word selection/word deletion, which are not located all on the same modifiers (cmd), like it is on windows and linux

GekkePrutser 6y ago

Indeed, I switched to Mac in 2004 because Linux was a horrible UX mess at that point. Mac was a great POSIX system with a consistent UI and major first-party apps. Now Apple is becoming more and more unworkable to use as a unix system, and Linux is really much better now. Only gap is still first-party software unfortunately but luckily I don't really ever need stuff like photoshop and office personally.

shrimp_emoji 6y ago
> luckily I don't really ever need stuff like ... office If you do, check out CrossOver: https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover It's a straight up Microsoft Office suite clone for Mac and Linux, which can open, save, AND create MSOffice formats (.docx, etc.).
- lights0123 6y ago
  Huh? CrossOver is just a Wine fork with a GUI. It's not an Office suite. You can install the real MS Office on it, but it has no actual office applications built-in.
- nyolfen 6y ago
  are you thinking of libreoffice?

kitsunesoba 6y ago

As someone who's mainly been a macOS user in the past couple decades but regularly uses Windows and Linux, I find that the number of papercuts, sharp edges, and lack of consistency in the desktop Linux experience is still too high for my taste. It's certainly much better than it used to be but still has a way to go. But then again, I have little need to tweak system internals.

fsflover 6y ago
I downvoted you for the lack of details. What you are saying can be said about any system, just change the name. Even about Mac.
- kitsunesoba 6y ago
  Fair enough, but if I elaborated much it'd quickly turn into a blogpost. In attempt to sum things up, I'd say that many of the woes of the modern Linux desktop stem from being stuck between different worlds — one example would be with the X11 vs. Wayland situation. Wayland has slowly been improving over time, but there are still concessions that are being made by using either. I understand that transitions are difficult and that particular case is being made more difficult by parties like Nvidia, but the end result is a degraded end-user experience that won't be fixed until the transition is over.
  - smoldesu 6y ago
    The easiest fix for this issue is to not use Wayland, like 99% of users. I'm not sure who gave you the idea that Wayland is production ready, but it's certainly not going to see prime-time Linux for another few years.
    - kitsunesoba 6y ago
      Ubuntu 21.04 will be using Wayland by default for non-Nvidia users, which would suggest that it's not far off. There are also configurations that are better supported by Wayland than X11, not to mention Wayland handles things like trackpad gestures better (which at this point, X11 is never going to get better at), so even if it's not yet production ready there are reasons why some might want to use it.

dehrmann 6y ago

I just tried the latest Ubuntu on an X1 Carbon and was disappointed. At first it was looking good, but then the warts started to show through. I could live with some of the problems, but I had to do some searching to learn that the reason Firefox scrolling was laggy was I was using a non-standard hidpi scale factor, the UI froze multiple times in just a few days, and it felt all around glitchier.

mhitza 6y ago
1. Maybe give Kubuntu a try. Have not used Gnome in many years now, but when I did, lag was a given. 2. Have you setup full disk encryption? Unless tweaked (thanks to Cloudflare kernel patches) dm-crypt will cause short system freezes. 3. Firefox is still an unfortunate story on Linux. Still no hardware acceleration enabled by default (and just in the last year, I think, made toggleable universally in about:config)
- dehrmann 6y ago
  2. Ah, I did set it up (and it had to do it by hand to dual boot). It's just all these things added up--they're table stakes for an OS.
  - mhitza 6y ago
    As a pro, at least, dual booting with Linux is still straighforward. I guess other OSes can't compete there. I have to admit that otherwise its not all roses in Linuxland. Fedora for example, a couple of versions ago switched their upgrade peocedure to the awful download now, reboot system and wait for updates to complete. Basically upgrades feel like Window upgrades now. Maybe that's the way they want to "force" users to swith to Fedora Silverblue :)
- rstuart4133 6y ago
  Or, you could just install Debian. Then install all the windowing environments you find interesting. No "swap to Kubuntu" required, just start a different window manager. Hell, run all of them simultaneously on the same install using a VNC server.

bitwize 6y ago

> The fingerprint readers work! The webcams work! Audio works! Wifi works! All with close to zero hassle (had to enable a PAM option to use the fingerprint reader with sudo, but otherwise no problems). You're happy now, but wait until you try using the trackpads. There's only one company in the world that cares enough about ergonomic fit and finish to make a laptop that's actually pleasant to use over long periods of time: Apple. The kinks will be worked out with the M1s and macOS in general, and then Linux will look like the joke it is by comparison again.

smoldesu 6y ago
Honestly, a mediocre trackpad is a small price to pay for an ethically sourced system. Considering I do 90% of my work with a mouse, I've never really missed using MacOS. The touch-based metaphors only hurt mouse users anyways.
mplanchard 6y ago
Fwiw I don’t mind the trackpad on my XPS or my wife’s ThinkPad at all. Two finger scrolling works just fine, I’ve set up trackpad gestures to go into the overview and switch between workspaces (three finger swipes), and I don’t have any problem moving the cursor around or clicking on things. I do try to use the mouse as little as possible on whatever system I’m using, but even when I have to, it’s no problem. Just as a point of comparison, I don’t think the trackpads on these machines are anywhere near as much worse (for me) compared to the MacBooks as the keyboards on the MacBooks on the past couple of generations (2018? whenever they added the zero travel keyboards that constantly broke) were compared to literally any other keyboard.
loughnane 6y ago
I’ve got Debian on an X1 carbon and everything is flawless. I wouldn’t doubt that mac’s trackpad is still slightly better by some measure but any difference is in the noise for me.

alsetmusic 6y ago

> I like many was a little tempted by the M1 Macs If you’re interested in the gains on the M1 but dissatisfied with macOS, I encourage supporting the development of native Linux on M1, Asahi Linux. Please contribute however you can. I can’t do the groundwork, so I joined up on Patreon. https://asahilinux.org/ https://asahilinux.org/

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Abishek_Muthian 6y ago

Others have spoken about how the Linux experience have improved vastly due KDE Plasma et al. I think something which has been part and parcel of the Linux experience always been the latency(From opening apps to performing other tasks), that's what made it usable on even older hardware and I feel it's underrated. I switched from Kaby Lake-based Core i5 MacBook Pro to Kaby Lake-based Core i5 Linux laptop half the cost due to the Big Sur issues and the productivity has improved several fold. The apps just opens at the blink of an eye, A phrase often used to describe M1 based Macs is absolutely applicable to my Linux experience after switching from a Mac. Further with KVM, large enough RAM VMs run like any other apps without bogging down the system.

m463 6y ago

We should really be thankful of that one guy in france who got linux working with a variety of cameras.