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Yeaaaaaahhhh, I don't know, man. Every VW owner I've ever met had some kind of long-term electrical or wiring problem with their car. And that was with a gasol

Yeaaaaaahhhh, I don't know, man. Every VW owner I've ever met had some kind of long-term electrical or wiring problem with their car. And that was with a gasoline or diesel engine.

ogre_codes 6y ago
Add me to the list of "I'll never buy VW again" people. Electrical problems, then when we waited 2k miles too long to change the timing belt, the whole engine was totaled. Later, same car ended up belching the turbo fan out the exhaust system. It was a $25,000 car that cost us $35,000. Never VW Again.
- pskinner 6y ago
  The engine being totaled was your fault, always change the timing belt on or before its due to be changed.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    Sure... because the consequence for being 1 month behind on regular maintenance should be complete destruction of the engine with no warning. I mean. I accept that there was negligence on my part there. But it wasn't a huge lapse and that is the crappiest of crappy failure modes. Never had another car as finicky and high maintenance.
- atoav 6y ago
  When I visited Sarajevo my beaten down 1995 VW polo made the grim bosnian guy who's job it was to being tourists to their apartments smile — "This is a good car, you can get every part cheap." And indeed I had to exchange the motor because my brother drove it too long without putting oil into it. Exchanging the whole motor block costed 500 Euros. My father exchanged one of his front lights for the same price.
- Daho0n 6y ago
  >we waited 2k miles too long to change the timing belt, the whole engine was totaled. Uh, if anything that is perfect engineering.
privateSFacct 6y ago
I hope this new all EV vehicle has a kick ass screen / tech stack system. So many of their older ones are slow / janky etc. Carplay is a godsend on their other vehicles. I'm assuming buttery smooth ipad like experience with great touch screen - can anyone confirm this? Burned too many times to trust the marketing vids.
- Geee 6y ago
  I don't know about others, but the new Tesla Model S/X comes with a Radeon Navi 23 GPU which is basically a PS5 level gaming computer. You can play games on all Teslas. I think the traditional manufacturers are substantially behind when it comes to features / performance of the in-car entertainment systems. https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/27/22253258/tesla-model-s-ps5-xbox-series-x-next-gen-10-teraflop https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/27/22253258/tesla-model-s-ps...
  - clouddrover 6y ago
    Do you want performance or durability? You may not be able to have both. Tesla hasn't been using automotive grade parts in its cars: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows-why-automotive-grade-matters https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows... Tesla says the main interface to the car was only supposed to function for 5 years. I don't think anyone buying those cars would have expected that: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/39065/tesla-claims-failing-touchscreens-in-nhtsa-recall-were-only-meant-to-last-5-6-years-anyway https://www.thedrive.com/tech/39065/tesla-claims-failing-tou... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-recall-idUSKBN2A21FC https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-recall-idUSKBN2A21F... Automotive grade parts do matter.
    - Geee 6y ago
      I'd rather take performance, if the computer is replaceable.
      - clouddrover 6y ago
ppf 6y ago
Which is why I smile every time someone tells me that EVs are "more reliable" because they have "less moving parts". That might be true, but they also have vastly more components and structures, of all different sizes from cables down to nanometer features in silicon, that MUSTNT move, or it will fail. How many cars are scrapped because they wore out mechanically, and how many are scrapped due to economically un-fixable electrical issues?
- bratcomplex 6y ago
  actually no, they don’t. drive train wise the have less fun enough. Resolver and current sensor.
- pkolaczk 6y ago
  Electronics is cheap and easy to replace. If properly designed and protected from heat and water - practically doesn't wear out. Mechanical problems like corrosion of structural parts is almost always uneconomical to fix.
  - ppf 6y ago
    Sorry, have you owned a car made in the last 10ish years?
    - pkolaczk 6y ago
      Yes. Actually a brand new Mazda Cx-5. During the first 4 years it had 2 very minor mechanical issues covered by warranty and 1 minor electrical issue - broken USB (but not sure if that wasn't mechanical really, these ports are often fragile). Overall it was a very good car and much more reliable than the previous, much more mechanical Ford from 2007. And my new car is still too new to tell anything, but AFAIK it is leading many reliability rankings - Lexus CT. Weird, considering it is a hybrid, isn't it? I also have some electronic devices at my household that has worked flawlessly for over 40 years since manufactured - eg an analogue oscilloscope and lab power supply. And a few new cheap LED lamps that half of them died within the first 6 months. :D I conclude the thing is in proper design and high quality assembly, not electronics per se. It can be good, it can be also crap if done badly.
gnicholas 6y ago
That makes me feel less bad about the VW Golf I had that would spontaneously turn it self off while I was driving down the road. Fortunately this problem manifested itself early enough (6 weeks after purchase, with ~200 miles on to odometer) that we were able to win a lemon law case and get our money back.
mhh__ 6y ago
I have the opposite anecdata, this needs a citation, especially when compared against Tesla

Yeaaaaaahhhh, I don't know, man. Every VW owner I've ever met had some kind of long-term electrical or wiring problem with their car. And that was with a gasoline or diesel engine.

ogre_codes 6y ago

Add me to the list of "I'll never buy VW again" people. Electrical problems, then when we waited 2k miles too long to change the timing belt, the whole engine was totaled. Later, same car ended up belching the turbo fan out the exhaust system. It was a $25,000 car that cost us $35,000. Never VW Again.

pskinner 6y ago
The engine being totaled was your fault, always change the timing belt on or before its due to be changed.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  Sure... because the consequence for being 1 month behind on regular maintenance should be complete destruction of the engine with no warning. I mean. I accept that there was negligence on my part there. But it wasn't a huge lapse and that is the crappiest of crappy failure modes. Never had another car as finicky and high maintenance.
atoav 6y ago
When I visited Sarajevo my beaten down 1995 VW polo made the grim bosnian guy who's job it was to being tourists to their apartments smile — "This is a good car, you can get every part cheap." And indeed I had to exchange the motor because my brother drove it too long without putting oil into it. Exchanging the whole motor block costed 500 Euros. My father exchanged one of his front lights for the same price.
Daho0n 6y ago
>we waited 2k miles too long to change the timing belt, the whole engine was totaled. Uh, if anything that is perfect engineering.

privateSFacct 6y ago

I hope this new all EV vehicle has a kick ass screen / tech stack system. So many of their older ones are slow / janky etc. Carplay is a godsend on their other vehicles. I'm assuming buttery smooth ipad like experience with great touch screen - can anyone confirm this? Burned too many times to trust the marketing vids.

Geee 6y ago
I don't know about others, but the new Tesla Model S/X comes with a Radeon Navi 23 GPU which is basically a PS5 level gaming computer. You can play games on all Teslas. I think the traditional manufacturers are substantially behind when it comes to features / performance of the in-car entertainment systems. https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/27/22253258/tesla-model-s-ps5-xbox-series-x-next-gen-10-teraflop https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/27/22253258/tesla-model-s-ps...
- clouddrover 6y ago
  Do you want performance or durability? You may not be able to have both. Tesla hasn't been using automotive grade parts in its cars: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows-why-automotive-grade-matters https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows... Tesla says the main interface to the car was only supposed to function for 5 years. I don't think anyone buying those cars would have expected that: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/39065/tesla-claims-failing-touchscreens-in-nhtsa-recall-were-only-meant-to-last-5-6-years-anyway https://www.thedrive.com/tech/39065/tesla-claims-failing-tou... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-recall-idUSKBN2A21FC https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-recall-idUSKBN2A21F... Automotive grade parts do matter.
  - Geee 6y ago
    I'd rather take performance, if the computer is replaceable.
    - clouddrover 6y ago

ppf 6y ago

Which is why I smile every time someone tells me that EVs are "more reliable" because they have "less moving parts". That might be true, but they also have vastly more components and structures, of all different sizes from cables down to nanometer features in silicon, that MUSTNT move, or it will fail. How many cars are scrapped because they wore out mechanically, and how many are scrapped due to economically un-fixable electrical issues?

bratcomplex 6y ago
actually no, they don’t. drive train wise the have less fun enough. Resolver and current sensor.
pkolaczk 6y ago
Electronics is cheap and easy to replace. If properly designed and protected from heat and water - practically doesn't wear out. Mechanical problems like corrosion of structural parts is almost always uneconomical to fix.
- ppf 6y ago
  Sorry, have you owned a car made in the last 10ish years?
  - pkolaczk 6y ago
    Yes. Actually a brand new Mazda Cx-5. During the first 4 years it had 2 very minor mechanical issues covered by warranty and 1 minor electrical issue - broken USB (but not sure if that wasn't mechanical really, these ports are often fragile). Overall it was a very good car and much more reliable than the previous, much more mechanical Ford from 2007. And my new car is still too new to tell anything, but AFAIK it is leading many reliability rankings - Lexus CT. Weird, considering it is a hybrid, isn't it? I also have some electronic devices at my household that has worked flawlessly for over 40 years since manufactured - eg an analogue oscilloscope and lab power supply. And a few new cheap LED lamps that half of them died within the first 6 months. :D I conclude the thing is in proper design and high quality assembly, not electronics per se. It can be good, it can be also crap if done badly.

gnicholas 6y ago

That makes me feel less bad about the VW Golf I had that would spontaneously turn it self off while I was driving down the road. Fortunately this problem manifested itself early enough (6 weeks after purchase, with ~200 miles on to odometer) that we were able to win a lemon law case and get our money back.

mhh__ 6y ago

I have the opposite anecdata, this needs a citation, especially when compared against Tesla