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depends on how you use your car. Lots of the cost benefits will be swallowed up by the higher price tag. Also, for any long distance driving, you will need to h

depends on how you use your car. Lots of the cost benefits will be swallowed up by the higher price tag. Also, for any long distance driving, you will need to hire an ICE. I think its an objective fact that electric cars still have a very long way to catch up.

clouddrover 6y ago
> Also, for any long distance driving, you will need to hire an ICE Why? There are many CCS DC chargers in the world and the number is growing month-by-month. It's true that some areas aren't built out yet, but many areas already are and new chargers are going in all the time. Try out some road trips with a VW ID.4 on A Better Routeplanner. See how you go: https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ https://abetterrouteplanner.com/
- pkolaczk 6y ago
  If you assume using public chargers, then the cost-per-mile calculation needs to be updated, because electricity prices at the charging stations are much higher than the cost of electricity at home. Here where I live, in Poland, the difference can be up to 3 times. In this case HEV is actually much cheaper to run than an EV.
Dylan16807 6y ago
It's objective fact that it will take a lot of improvement before an electric car is equivalent or better in every way. But that's not a very fair standard for "catching up".
- serpix 6y ago
  The only thing fossil cars have remaining is range and charging speed and I suspect is only a few years to go. Everything else is in another league.
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    Meeting range and price at the same time is going to be pretty difficult for a while.
  - ChuckNorris89 6y ago
    And the ever lacking charging infrastructure in the cities. Where I live in Europe all who own cars in the city have them street parked in front or around their apartment buildigs. How will they all be charged if everyone would switch to electric? Plaster all the streets or sidewalks with charging stations? How will the existing power lines handle the extra strain? (Spoiler alert: they can't) Who will pay for building and maintaining all this new charging infrastructure? These are concerns that are somehow never considered yet they're the main bottlenecks for the future of mass EV adoption in the cities.
  - greedo 6y ago
    How well do the batteries hold up in cold weather? I live where it gets pretty cold and I worry about shrinking range, especially when using the heater.
natch 6y ago
>for any long distance driving, you will need to hire an ICE. Either you are ignorant and unjustifiably overconfident in your opinions, - or - I am living in a simulation and the many long road trips I have done in an EV have all just been an illusion.
- marshmallow_12 6y ago
  Most probably i am ignorant and unjustifiably overconfident. I shall have to humbly reconsider my position.

clouddrover 6y ago

> Also, for any long distance driving, you will need to hire an ICE Why? There are many CCS DC chargers in the world and the number is growing month-by-month. It's true that some areas aren't built out yet, but many areas already are and new chargers are going in all the time. Try out some road trips with a VW ID.4 on A Better Routeplanner. See how you go: https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ https://abetterrouteplanner.com/

pkolaczk 6y ago
If you assume using public chargers, then the cost-per-mile calculation needs to be updated, because electricity prices at the charging stations are much higher than the cost of electricity at home. Here where I live, in Poland, the difference can be up to 3 times. In this case HEV is actually much cheaper to run than an EV.

Dylan16807 6y ago

It's objective fact that it will take a lot of improvement before an electric car is equivalent or better in every way. But that's not a very fair standard for "catching up".

serpix 6y ago
The only thing fossil cars have remaining is range and charging speed and I suspect is only a few years to go. Everything else is in another league.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  Meeting range and price at the same time is going to be pretty difficult for a while.
- ChuckNorris89 6y ago
  And the ever lacking charging infrastructure in the cities. Where I live in Europe all who own cars in the city have them street parked in front or around their apartment buildigs. How will they all be charged if everyone would switch to electric? Plaster all the streets or sidewalks with charging stations? How will the existing power lines handle the extra strain? (Spoiler alert: they can't) Who will pay for building and maintaining all this new charging infrastructure? These are concerns that are somehow never considered yet they're the main bottlenecks for the future of mass EV adoption in the cities.
- greedo 6y ago
  How well do the batteries hold up in cold weather? I live where it gets pretty cold and I worry about shrinking range, especially when using the heater.

natch 6y ago

>for any long distance driving, you will need to hire an ICE. Either you are ignorant and unjustifiably overconfident in your opinions, - or - I am living in a simulation and the many long road trips I have done in an EV have all just been an illusion.

marshmallow_12 6y ago
Most probably i am ignorant and unjustifiably overconfident. I shall have to humbly reconsider my position.