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>Apple's incentives appear aligned with their customers Not in China: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy-betrayal-for-chinese-icloud
by minsc__and__boo 6y ago
>Apple's incentives appear aligned with their customers
Not in China:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy-betrayal-for-chinese-icloud-users/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy...
- Nextgrid 6y agoThat is indeed a major problem, but it's still better than Facebook, whose incentives are never aligned with their users.
- kube-system 6y agoThat's not due to Apple’s business model or their own choice. They were forced to hand over iCloud by Chinese regulators.
- ParanoidShroom 6y agoLike Google in China?
- minsc__and__boo 6y agoIt is absolutely a choice made by Apple. Google said no to giving their user data to the Chinese government.
- kube-system 6y agoGoogle had the advantage that their service was separable from the physical devices using it. I doubt you would be arguing that, if Apple bricked basically every iPhone in China, it would be evidence that their "incentives are aligned with their customers".
- minsc__and__boo 6y agoHyperbole. Being a separate device, as you said, means the phones would still work independent of Apple. The Chinese government would block updates and sales, hencecustomers would blame them, not Apple, because Apple was incentivized with customers instead of the government moving forward.
- kube-system 6y agoBasically everyone with an iPhone uses an Apple ID. It is certainly not hyperbole that the devices usability would be very severely impacted without access to Apple's servers.
- minsc__and__boo 6y agoThey would lose iCloud access. That's what the Chinese Government threatened them with. It is not "bricking phones" as you said. As much as you don't like this fact, Apple had a choice and decided to put the Chinese government before it's users.
- kube-system 6y agoYes, it is. An iPhone that cannot connect to Apple’s servers is essentially bricked. Not only do a significant number of critical features on the phone require reaching out to Apple to function, but IIRC, after a certain period of time without being able to contact Apple, the phone will require you to log in with your Apple ID. I believe this is to prevent activation lock bypasses by blocking network resources. I remember reading about an issue a while back, where a person got locked out of their phone at sea, because they didn’t have network access for an extended period of time.
- minsc__and__boo 6y agoSo then Apple pushes an quick update to disable login after N days. You're splitting hairs here about Apple choosing to share their user data with the Chinese government over their user's privacy.