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Except Apple doesn't track you all across the internet at every possible opportunity without you knowing about it.

by dimitrios1 6y ago

lisper 6y ago
Not yet. But they could start any time they wanted to. Who would save you then?
- S_A_P 6y ago
  Facebook is a problem now. Apple is not that we know of. Why deflect with hypothetical scenarios?
- GeekyBear 6y ago
  Just as Facebook and Google could openly start selling all the information they have collected at any time? I mean, it goes against the business model they operate under, but they could, right?
- robflynn 6y ago
  Okay, but so could anyone. I'm not sure your point here? They're clearly at least trying to move in the opposite direction and have been making those moves for some time now. Maybe they won't always go that way. Maybe they will. No one is saying they're our savior, though. No one is begging Apple to please save us.
- user-the-name 6y ago
  See, it's a bit more persuasive if you criticise companies for things they are actually doing, rather than for things you imagine they could do.
- tw04 6y ago
  >Who would save you then? Why would I need to be saved? I'll just buy a device from a different manufacturer. If there are literally no privacy-respecting options, and a majority of people think there should be one, either a company will form on its own, or constituents will make enough noise that the government will step in. If not in the US, the EU still seems to have some basic respect for the rights of their citizens.
- sonotathrowaway 6y ago
  This is the literal definition of a strawman argument, isn’t it?
  - lisper 6y ago
    No. A straw-man is arguing against a position other than the one that your interlocutor is actually taking. This is a hypothetical, not a straw man.
- hobs 6y ago
  Not Facebook so what's your point? The enemy of my enemy isnt my friend, but I might smile as they land a good punch.
williesleg 6y ago
That's funny I just shot coffee out my nose!

Except Apple doesn't track you all across the internet at every possible opportunity without you knowing about it.

lisper 6y ago

Not yet. But they could start any time they wanted to. Who would save you then?

S_A_P 6y ago
Facebook is a problem now. Apple is not that we know of. Why deflect with hypothetical scenarios?
GeekyBear 6y ago
Just as Facebook and Google could openly start selling all the information they have collected at any time? I mean, it goes against the business model they operate under, but they could, right?
robflynn 6y ago
Okay, but so could anyone. I'm not sure your point here? They're clearly at least trying to move in the opposite direction and have been making those moves for some time now. Maybe they won't always go that way. Maybe they will. No one is saying they're our savior, though. No one is begging Apple to please save us.
user-the-name 6y ago
See, it's a bit more persuasive if you criticise companies for things they are actually doing, rather than for things you imagine they could do.
tw04 6y ago
>Who would save you then? Why would I need to be saved? I'll just buy a device from a different manufacturer. If there are literally no privacy-respecting options, and a majority of people think there should be one, either a company will form on its own, or constituents will make enough noise that the government will step in. If not in the US, the EU still seems to have some basic respect for the rights of their citizens.
sonotathrowaway 6y ago
This is the literal definition of a strawman argument, isn’t it?
- lisper 6y ago
  No. A straw-man is arguing against a position other than the one that your interlocutor is actually taking. This is a hypothetical, not a straw man.
hobs 6y ago
Not Facebook so what's your point? The enemy of my enemy isnt my friend, but I might smile as they land a good punch.

williesleg 6y ago

That's funny I just shot coffee out my nose!