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Mind blowing to me that "Heroku but with docker images" doesn't seem to exist. Would love to be corrected!

by aroman 6y ago

Clewza313 6y ago
That's pretty much Cloud Run, no? https://cloud.google.com/run/ https://cloud.google.com/run/
- monsieurbanana 6y ago
  I'm looking for something like that, but I'm afraid of using any google developer services, such as GCP, for personal projects. What if I breach their TOS somehow and get banned, or what if I didn't breach their TOS and still get banned? Can't afford to test my luck until I've finished migrating all my accounts off my gmail.
  - dontblink 6y ago
    Why don't you just create a new Google Account specifically for this?
    - wsgeorge 6y ago
      Associated account bans are a thing in the Android world. I don't know if this extends to other Google platforms.
    - mkl 6y ago
      Doesn't that require another active SIM card?
    - monsieurbanana 6y ago
      I'd also need a new credit card, I'm pretty sure they link accounts via shared CC. And even then, I'm pretty sure they still link accounts via other means. Did I link my gcp email in my android gmail app? Did I use the same IP address for both accounts? Or any of the thousand ways google has to know two accounts belong to the same person. Honestly, creating a second google account might itself increase the chances of getting banned. Nobody knows with Google, and that's the problem.
  - ZephyrBlu 6y ago
    I'm using my main google account on GCP and just yesterday started to take precautions about this. I created a new google account with no relation to my main one and added it as an owner to my GCP project, so hopefully in the event of either account being banned I can still access everything.
- AbhyudayaSharma 6y ago
  Cloud run is great. I'm using an Nginx image to serve my static website. However, if I remember correctly, you can only respond to HTTP(S). So though it may be enough for most usecases, it is not essentially equal to running any container on the cloud.
  - Clewza313 6y ago
    gRPC and WebSockets are in preview. Doesn't look like you can use arbitrary ports though. https://cloud.google.com/run/docs/triggering/grpc https://cloud.google.com/run/docs/triggering/grpc
    - jillesvangurp 6y ago
      You can open just 1 https port but you can map whatever port in your docker container to that. Some websocket implementations work with a second port and that just doesn't work. But you should probably split those services into two. But if you use something that can mix websockets and normal https traffic over 1 port, it works great.
  - jillesvangurp 6y ago
    Websockets now work on cloud run. We implemented that last month. Cloud run does have a few limitations: no service discovery built in, no docker compose support, limited set options for CPU/memory, no persistent disk, etc. But it's great for things like a simple Spring Boot server or any kind of stateless service. But you won't be running redis or a database there. It's just not designed to do that. It's also not great for running batch jobs; we tried and our jobs kept getting killed/throttled. Use a vm for that. Luckily, there are lots of other Google services for that that you can plugin for that sort of stuff. Cloudrun is great if you are planning to use those things. Kubernetes is what you use when you want to mix stateful and stateless stuff so you can avoid depending on those services. That makes sense if you need to support multiple clouds or on premise installations. But otherwise, it's a lot of extra complexity and devops even before you consider the overhead of managing the kubernetes cluster. There are lots of companies that talk themselves into needing this where the need is arguably a bit aspirational. I've been on more than one expensive project where we served absolutely no traffic at all with hundreds of dollars worth of kubernetes clusters idling for months on end that had no realistic hopes of ever getting more than a very modest amount of traffic even if everything worked out as they planned.
- aroman 6y ago
  For my usage (lightweight game servers), I need WebSockets, which are still in beta and they currently force WS connections to close after 1 hour, which is a dealbreaker for me.
gobengo 6y ago
lol https://github.com/dokku/dokku https://github.com/dokku/dokku
- aroman 6y ago
  Dokku looks super cool but it's still a lot more involved than Heroku. Heroku doesn't make you think about provisioning servers, updating infrastructure, or manually setting up common integrations like backups and logging. Just to illustrate the point, dokku's docs[0] for logging say "Warning: The default docker-local scheduler will "store" these until the next deploy or until the old containers are garbage collected - whichever runs first. If you require the logs beyond this point in time, please ship the logs to a centralized log server." Alright, well, that's gonna be a whole lot more work than two click in Heroku to send all my logs to any logging provider of my choice. [0] https://dokku.com/docs/deployment/logs/ https://dokku.com/docs/deployment/logs/
mateuszf 6y ago
Heroku does allow building / deploying Docker images - https://devcenter.heroku.com/categories/deploying-with-docker https://devcenter.heroku.com/categories/deploying-with-docke...
mfontani 6y ago
Dokku is "it" for me, but I'm sure there are others. Works pretty well, but it's (to the best of my knowledge) for one node only.
vyrotek 6y ago
Azure AppService has some pretty good support for that. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/app-service/containers/#overview https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/app-service/conta...
TruffleMuffin 6y ago
Think thats AWS Fargate, but admittedly i don't do a lot with Heroku.
opsunit 6y ago
render.com
kkapelon 6y ago
It is coming. Check https://www.qovery.com/ https://www.qovery.com/ and https://www.hyscale.io/ https://www.hyscale.io/ (Not affiliated with either)
machiaweliczny 6y ago
CloudFoundry has ability to host your own docker images easily AFAIK. Edit: fixed name
pgm8705 6y ago
Digital Ocean's App Platform can work this way.

Mind blowing to me that "Heroku but with docker images" doesn't seem to exist. Would love to be corrected!

by aroman 6y ago

Mind blowing to me that "Heroku but with docker images" doesn't seem to exist. Would love to be corrected!

Clewza313 6y ago

That's pretty much Cloud Run, no? https://cloud.google.com/run/ https://cloud.google.com/run/

monsieurbanana 6y ago
I'm looking for something like that, but I'm afraid of using any google developer services, such as GCP, for personal projects. What if I breach their TOS somehow and get banned, or what if I didn't breach their TOS and still get banned? Can't afford to test my luck until I've finished migrating all my accounts off my gmail.
- dontblink 6y ago
  Why don't you just create a new Google Account specifically for this?
  - wsgeorge 6y ago
    Associated account bans are a thing in the Android world. I don't know if this extends to other Google platforms.
  - mkl 6y ago
    Doesn't that require another active SIM card?
  - monsieurbanana 6y ago
    I'd also need a new credit card, I'm pretty sure they link accounts via shared CC. And even then, I'm pretty sure they still link accounts via other means. Did I link my gcp email in my android gmail app? Did I use the same IP address for both accounts? Or any of the thousand ways google has to know two accounts belong to the same person. Honestly, creating a second google account might itself increase the chances of getting banned. Nobody knows with Google, and that's the problem.
- ZephyrBlu 6y ago
  I'm using my main google account on GCP and just yesterday started to take precautions about this. I created a new google account with no relation to my main one and added it as an owner to my GCP project, so hopefully in the event of either account being banned I can still access everything.
AbhyudayaSharma 6y ago
Cloud run is great. I'm using an Nginx image to serve my static website. However, if I remember correctly, you can only respond to HTTP(S). So though it may be enough for most usecases, it is not essentially equal to running any container on the cloud.
- Clewza313 6y ago
  gRPC and WebSockets are in preview. Doesn't look like you can use arbitrary ports though. https://cloud.google.com/run/docs/triggering/grpc https://cloud.google.com/run/docs/triggering/grpc
  - jillesvangurp 6y ago
    You can open just 1 https port but you can map whatever port in your docker container to that. Some websocket implementations work with a second port and that just doesn't work. But you should probably split those services into two. But if you use something that can mix websockets and normal https traffic over 1 port, it works great.
- jillesvangurp 6y ago
  Websockets now work on cloud run. We implemented that last month. Cloud run does have a few limitations: no service discovery built in, no docker compose support, limited set options for CPU/memory, no persistent disk, etc. But it's great for things like a simple Spring Boot server or any kind of stateless service. But you won't be running redis or a database there. It's just not designed to do that. It's also not great for running batch jobs; we tried and our jobs kept getting killed/throttled. Use a vm for that. Luckily, there are lots of other Google services for that that you can plugin for that sort of stuff. Cloudrun is great if you are planning to use those things. Kubernetes is what you use when you want to mix stateful and stateless stuff so you can avoid depending on those services. That makes sense if you need to support multiple clouds or on premise installations. But otherwise, it's a lot of extra complexity and devops even before you consider the overhead of managing the kubernetes cluster. There are lots of companies that talk themselves into needing this where the need is arguably a bit aspirational. I've been on more than one expensive project where we served absolutely no traffic at all with hundreds of dollars worth of kubernetes clusters idling for months on end that had no realistic hopes of ever getting more than a very modest amount of traffic even if everything worked out as they planned.
aroman 6y ago
For my usage (lightweight game servers), I need WebSockets, which are still in beta and they currently force WS connections to close after 1 hour, which is a dealbreaker for me.

gobengo 6y ago

lol https://github.com/dokku/dokku https://github.com/dokku/dokku

aroman 6y ago
Dokku looks super cool but it's still a lot more involved than Heroku. Heroku doesn't make you think about provisioning servers, updating infrastructure, or manually setting up common integrations like backups and logging. Just to illustrate the point, dokku's docs[0] for logging say "Warning: The default docker-local scheduler will "store" these until the next deploy or until the old containers are garbage collected - whichever runs first. If you require the logs beyond this point in time, please ship the logs to a centralized log server." Alright, well, that's gonna be a whole lot more work than two click in Heroku to send all my logs to any logging provider of my choice. [0] https://dokku.com/docs/deployment/logs/ https://dokku.com/docs/deployment/logs/

mateuszf 6y ago

Heroku does allow building / deploying Docker images - https://devcenter.heroku.com/categories/deploying-with-docker https://devcenter.heroku.com/categories/deploying-with-docke...

mfontani 6y ago

Dokku is "it" for me, but I'm sure there are others. Works pretty well, but it's (to the best of my knowledge) for one node only.

vyrotek 6y ago

Azure AppService has some pretty good support for that. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/app-service/containers/#overview https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/app-service/conta...

TruffleMuffin 6y ago

Think thats AWS Fargate, but admittedly i don't do a lot with Heroku.

opsunit 6y ago

render.com

kkapelon 6y ago

It is coming. Check https://www.qovery.com/ https://www.qovery.com/ and https://www.hyscale.io/ https://www.hyscale.io/ (Not affiliated with either)

machiaweliczny 6y ago

CloudFoundry has ability to host your own docker images easily AFAIK. Edit: fixed name

pgm8705 6y ago

Digital Ocean's App Platform can work this way.